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EnsenadaDr
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Still the mystery illudes the Newport Beach community, for over 40 years.... a young. blonde affable bartender disappears from the face of this high
society surfing community, rumoured to be somewhere south of the Border...
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durrelllrobert
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IMHO I believe that this theory is plausible
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100403100625kays.nb/topstory.ht...
"I'm going to lay out my theory, so don't scoff at me for idle speculation. I'm sure that the FBI is doing that very thing even as I type these words.
But here goes nothing. A favorite movie of mine, 1998's A Simple Plan, directed by Sam Raimi, is my model for what happened to the McStays. In the
film Hank Mitchell, his brother Jacob, and a friend Lou stumble upon a downed airplane. They find a dead man inside the crash and $4.4 million dollars
in cash, stashed in cargo bags.
The brothers and the friend devise a 'simple plan' to lay low and to keep the money as a sort of retirement account for their old age. This is where
the irony comes in, this is anything but a 'simple plan' as a rapid sequence of events put a tire iron in the spokes of a well-oiled scheme.
In this parallel the McStays must have discovered some money that they weren't intended to have. I think it was a sum of more than a million dollars.
This cash may have been hidden in one of the fountains that Joseph purchased from Mexico. Narco-traffickers may have been attempting
to launder vast amounts of drug money by way of these fountain craftsmen on the other side of the border. The McStays were not supposed to be aware of
this scheme.
As such their men on the American side would retrieve this money and smuggle it away to another safehouse. But Joseph accidentally discovered
this money when he was working on one of these fountains. The amount was so great, that he decided to keep it after discussing the situation
with Summer.
In the film Bill Paxton does something similar with Bridgett Fonda. The money pushes their button. This is where a 'simple plan' comes into play.
And so this would explain why the bank accounts suddenly went dead. The McStays would operate strictly on a cash-only-basis, going forward. They
figured that could hide out in Mexico undetected, maybe in some simple village up in the mountains, away from civilization. And their cash would
stretch out as far as the eye can see.
Fitting in with my theory, the McStays had to hide out in the states from the 4th to the 8th. They didn't want to cross over into Mexico too rapidly,
lest the traffickers might surprise them at the crossing. Why leave the white Isuzu Trooper in San Ysidro? Because the Bad Men knew of the vehicle
from the news, so they had to get rid of it. And what about the last call to the business partner?
This is why I think he knew. He may have tipped off the McStays that 'they' were looking for them. This would also explain why he won't give his name
or provide the media with a statement of some kind. Also, I believe the police know of his involvement and are providing him with a makeshift 'witness
protection program.' This would also explain why it took so long to report the disappearance to the authorities. Enough time was allowed for the
McStays to hide away in the remotest regions of Mexico.
And then you might wonder why the McStays didn't just return the money to these traffickers? The reason why is this wasn't even an option! Even if
they did return the money, they would still be killed to silence them. This is how these ruthless criminals operate, in say, Ciudad Juarez. The
McStays had no choice but to flee with the money in tow. They had but one choice-a permanent departure from their once beautiful life.
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
IMHO I believe that this theory is plausible |
and it is EQUALLY probable that they were abducted by space aliens.
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the latest:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/investigators-say-m...
[Edited on 4-10-2013 by BajaNomad]
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San Diego Sheriff Department was the primary lead on our case from the very beginning with many other agencies , including the FBI and DOJ, assisting
in running down all the tips that came across Detective DuGal’s desk.
This morning at 8:30am my phone rings with a number I clearly recognize as the lead Detective on the case. He assured me that a Press Release was
being conducted “as we speak” and he read off to me what was to be said. SDSD has been very supportive throughout this whole ordeal and clearly wants
to resolve our missing family person’s case.
The FBI has always taken part in our case because there are small minor children involved. The portion of the FBI that investigates missing children
has been assisting SDSD from day one. I know that my mom and I are happy with SDSD and are optimistic with the resources that the FBI brings to the
table.
We simply want to know what happened to our missing loved ones. We are grateful that there has been so much love and support the past 3 years.
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McStays Left San Diego Voluntarily
McStay family's vehicle, a white 1996 Isuzu Trooper, was found abandoned in a San Ysidro parking lot on Feb. 8. - Nelvin C. Cepeda / Union-Tribune
FALLBROOK - "While the three-year investigation into the missing McStay family has yielded few clues, sheriff's detectives said Tuesday that evidence
seems to indicate the foursome traveled into Mexico of their own free will.
Because the family is believed to be out of the country, the case has been transferred to the FBI as the lead investigative agency. The FBI has more
international resources, as well as agents who specialize in missing persons cases that involve children.
The announcement Tuesday is the first time sheriff's investigators have revealed a strong consensus in the case.
The McStays - Joseph, wife Summer, and young sons Gianni and Joey Jr. - disappeared from their new Fallbrook home in February 2010, shocking their
friends and family. Investigators had little to go on as they worked to determine if the family ran off or fell victim to foul play.
They haven't been heard from or seen since Feb. 4, 2010.
Mike McStay, Joseph McStay's brother, has agonized over the mystery ever since. He said Tuesday that while physical and circumstantial evidence seems
to point to a trip to Mexico, no one has actually spotted them down there.
"They've never really been able to confirm anything. It's really just circumstantial evidence," he said.
The family apparently left in a hurry. Groceries were found abandoned on the kitchen counter, and their two dogs in the backyard.
The family's Isuzu Trooper was found parked in a lot in San Ysidro and towed days after their disappearance, with two car seats and a child's asthma
medicine inside.
On the family's computer, investigators found Internet searches for passport requirements to bring children into Mexico.
A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is
poor.
The Sheriff's Department, with help from the FBI, ran down hundreds of tips that have come in over the years, with no success.
Sheriff's Lt. Glenn Giannantonio said he gathered all the investigators working the case about a month ago and asked for their best conclusions.
"We may never know for sure, but do we think it was them (in the video)? The answer is yes," Giannantonio said.
"There is nothing to show that they went other than voluntarily when they are seen crossing the border," he said. "They walk past three customs agents
and make no attempt to get any help." Detectives found no other indications of a struggle or crime scene.
With that, they decided the FBI would be the most appropriate agency to follow up. Still, tips keep coming in. Sheriff's homicide Detective Troy
DuGal, who has handled the case from the beginning, just got three or four new leads last week, including a possible sighting in New York. They will
all be checked out, Giannantonio said.
Mike McStay, who lives in Orange County, has his own doubts about who is really seen crossing in that video.
He said he has sent his own team down to Mexico three times, scouring Baja down to Cabo San Lucas and over to Guerrero Negro. A lack of funds has
prevented him from making more trips.
He said he welcomes the FBI's added resources and continued help from the Sheriff's Department."
A reward of up to $1,000 is being offered for information that leads to a resolution in the case. Tipsters can remain anonymous by contacting Crime
Stoppers at (888) 580-8477 or sdcrimestoppers.com.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
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DENNIS
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Here's the new book on the subject:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/no-good-byes-rick-baker/1114...
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Hook
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I'm not understanding the money inside the fountain theory. Dont the cartels usually try and move dollars FROM the US TO Mexico? Why would money be
inside a fountain imported INTO the US?
Also, if they were hiding out in Mexico with large sums of dollars, it would have to be a rural area or they would have been spotted in a populated
area by now. Passing lots of dollars in a rural area can be very unsafe.
Interesting story. I suspect they have met an untimely fate. So hard to disappear these days.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is
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Seems that camera equipment in sensitive areas should have higher quality images. What good is it if you can't identify people twenty feet away.
Something else not mentioned above....they left $100,000 bucks in their local bank. ????????
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EnsenadaDr
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Well, shoot, DENNIS, they are still trying to track you down in Newport Beach...after 20 years. | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Somebody mentioned this a few days back and I almost don't even want to know what happened.......I mean, how they could vanish from the face of the
earth. Hopefully, it was well planned and all good. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is
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Seems that camera equipment in sensitive areas should have higher quality images. What good is it if you can't identify people twenty feet away.
Something else not mentioned above....they left $100,000 bucks in their local bank. ???????? |
it's only money. perhaps they are not focused on money and find other things to focus on in life!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
it's only money. perhaps they are not focused on money and find other things to focus on in life! |
I guess his brother was intensly focused on the money shortly after the disappearance.
I heard an interview with the author of the book this AM. I'm sending for it, although I'm not expecting much in new facts, but I need a new
bathroom book.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I guess his brother was intensly focused on the money shortly after the disappearance. |
Some of the links above have a comment from the brother regarding his need to manage the missing brother's finances (mortgage, business commitments,
etc).
I am presently responsible for probating my father's estate....and would be offended if someone "guessed" that my efforts to be fiscally/legally
responsible (which have been "intense" at times....e.g. questioning accountant why his rate charged is double that of other accountants; why the
accountant gave advice to stall paying estate taxes [which led to significant penalty]) were designed to be disreputable.
Clearly there is so much folks do NOT know about this mystery but are willing to be armchair sleuths. The book apparently is one of those efforts.
Don't believe everything you think....
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I'm with you, Motoged, having just been the executor of my parents trust (they recently died within 2 months of each other). Someone has to pay the
bills, ensure income is properly received/recorded, titles are transferred, mortage paid (not not, as appropriate), etc., until the estate is
finalized. Seems his brother was taking care of those things. Somebody had to. Doesn't mean he was stealing. Some posts and atrticles seem to imply
a nefarious motive to his brother simply taking care of business. If I read right, the sheriff looked into it and found nothing out of place with
what his brother was doing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I'm not understanding the money inside the fountain theory. Dont the cartels usually try and move dollars FROM the US TO Mexico? Why would money be
inside a fountain imported INTO the US?
Also, if they were hiding out in Mexico with large sums of dollars, it would have to be a rural area or they would have been spotted in a populated
area by now. Passing lots of dollars in a rural area can be very unsafe.
Interesting story. I suspect they have met an untimely fate. So hard to disappear these days. |
Hook
When you get tired of over developing Baja real estate , you invest in racing horses .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justice/texas-cartel-horseraci...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaceyJ
When you get tired of over developing Baja real estate , you invest in racing horses .
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Yeah...They've built a two lane sprint track right here on the road from Punta Banda to Maneadero.....starting gates, rails and some beautiful horses.
It's not a public event track.
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I was in front of the plaza in San Jose that Habeneros restaurant is in last week when a Joe McStay's mother walked up and asked me where the police
station was located. After explaining it she handed me a missing persons flyer for these folks.
Still missing, still no solid leads. She's still looking.
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[Edited on 6-21-2013 by Wally]
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News report: remains of McStay family possibly ID'd in CA
Car had been observed at San Ysidro crossing, leading to speculation that family was in Baja.
San Diego news report: http://www.10news.com/news/sources-investigators-looking-int...
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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DENNIS
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Big "IF"....we'll see.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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McStay Family news
Not looking good:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/nov/14/remains-missing-m...
From The San Diego Union: "The remains of four people found Monday in the San Bernardino County desert might be those of the McStay family — a
father, wife and two young sons who went missing from their Fallbrook home in 2010."
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