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rpleger
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jdtrotter.....I agree 100% with your well thought out statement...Bravo
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Muchas Gracias Shari, jdtrotter and Osprey. Of course we would all like more information about when and where we can expect to be charged minimal
fees. I believe that MOST of the Nomads would prefer to act as GUESTS in another Nation with DIFFERENT customs and policies. b-tching about the
policies that we do not understand (perhaps they are being defined as we read this) is pointless and an irritating waste of oxygen. Rest assured that
the policy will become defined, perhaps with errors and inconsistency, perhaps in an easily comprehensible and fair manner.... Time will tell. Grow
some patience. Practice some tolerance. That is the path I prefer to a better life (lower blood pressure and more time to enjoy the day and a cold
one, next to a warm one).
Acting as a rude guest is a losing as well as offensive approach and the first loser is the rude person.
Good fishing/surfing/ playing all.
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fishbuck
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The way you use the word "Guest" it's almost an insult.
A guest should be made to feel honored, welcomed and appreciated. And respected.
If we are your guests, why are you charging us $5 to be there?
And if we are paid guest, like at a hotel, then we expect some service for our money. What service are you providing us for our $5?
When people pay money they expect to receive a benefit.
I think you will find that this is the standard custom throughout the world.
If anyone is being rude it's you.
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Attention in the Biosphere!
If you are not a resident of the Biosphere then you are trespassing! The fine for trespassing in the Biosphere is $5.
If you chose to enter the Biosphere you must pay the $5 fine in advance and identify yourself at all times as a trespasser ( also known as a "Guest")
in the Biosphere by wearing a band on your wrist.
Should you fail to wear your band, you will be fined $5.
The fine for not paying the $5 fine is $5.
All fines must be paid to Jamie. Jamie can be found sitting at his desk in town.
Jamie can also be found on the beach collecting $5 fines from non band wearing guests(aka "Trespassers").
Guests are not permitted to ask questions about the Biosphere. Anyone doing so will be fined $5 and deported out of the Biosphere for being "rude".
The fine for being rude (aka "asking questions about the Biosphere") is $5.
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Attention in the Biosphere!
If you are not a resident of the Biosphere then you are trespassing! The fine for trespassing in the Biosphere is $5.
If you chose to enter the Biosphere you must pay the $5 fine in advance and identify yourself at all times as a trespasser ( also known as a "Guest")
in the Biosphere by wearing a band on your wrist.
Should you fail to wear your band, you will be fined $5.
The fine for not paying the $5 fine is $5.
All fines must be paid to Jamie. Jamie can be found sitting at his desk in town when he is not moonlighting at his other job on Biosphere time.
Jamie can also be found on the beach collecting $5 fines from non band wearing guests(aka "Trespassers").
Guests are not permitted to ask questions about the Biosphere. Anyone doing so will be fined $5 and deported out of the Biosphere for being "rude".
The fine for being rude (aka "asking questions about the Biosphere") is $5.
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hey fishy,
your commments are idiotic and insulting to the people and organizations that have worked for past 20+ years to establish and then protect the parks
and biosphere reserves. You are ignorant of how much effort has been expended in eestablishing and protecting places like SPM, Viscaino, San Ig
Lagoon, SOC, etc; and you are ignorant about development plans that still threaten the areas. If you think it's just grosssly unfair to you, then
take your vacation elsewhere.
You should be paying the entry fee, and contributing to the mex and foreign NGOs that continue to protect the area for benefit of all, even you. The
fees that are collected today are probably a pittance compared to the sums spent to establish the areas in the first place. Are you even aware of
organizations that are funded by private donors and spending money to protect areas for all? The fees are quite minor for a middle class gringo like
you. If you can afford to fly or drive to your vacation 600 miles south of the border, you can afford the fee, and you can afford to tip well when
you get labor services for very few dollars per hour.
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fishbuck
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Thank you goat for pointing out my ignorance about all the good things that are suppose to be happening in the Biosphere.
I looked on the internet and couldn't find one thing about it.
All I know so far is that Jamie takes the $5 and pays local people to clean up trash on the town beach.
And I now know that you think since I can afford it, I should pay for that. Even though I've never dropped one piece of trash in the Biosphere.
I do remember when Mexico threatened to develope San Ignacio lagoon into another giant salt mine like the one in Guerero Negro.
It was something like this.
"We need money, and if you don't give us money, we will develope the lagoon. And your precious whales will die. And we don't care because we are
poor."
I think that's where this whole Bioscam came from.
So goat please tell us about all the wonderful things that are happening in the Bioscam to keep it pristine and beautiful.
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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shari
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Looks like the bracelets are well controlled...all written down etc...and jaime said the money goes into the bank not to him....they are all numbered.
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Natalie Ann
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shari - Did Jaime mention what happens with the money after it goes to the bank? I'd imagine some pays his salary and some for his office... any
ideas about the rest?
I'd like to be clear about the fact that nothing I have read leads me to believe that Jaime is anything but an honest employee trying to do his job.
Exactly what is his job still seems to be unknown.
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shari
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No, I didnt ask...i am not certain where the money goes....possibly into the conanp account but i have no idea if it is used for jaime's salary,
office or clean up programs...no idea...dianne seems to have more info on this. I didnt know individuals could apply to the reserve for projects
either....i really would like to have a meeting with the new reserve director...he just took office this week.
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A quick Google for biosphere reserve came up with this link.
The Vizcaino Reserve is mentioned about 1/2 way down.
Sounds like a dandy program to me !
I might even send them MORE than $26 for the year !! 
July 16th, 2008
Pride Success: Eight Stories from the Field
Recently, eight of Rare’s partners graduated from the Pride program, with ceremonies taking place in Mexico City in June. The following are highlights
from each campaign — the successes, challenges, and plans for long-term sustainability.
Led by campaign manager Martin Castillo Paniagua, Mexico’s National Park Service (CONANP) and the staff of Parque Nacional Lagunas de Montebello
diligently spread their campaign slogan, “Clean and Beautiful, the Color of Montebello,” throughout one of Mexico’s most important protected areas.
The goal was to foster Pride and behavior change in a region threatened by pollution and harmful agro-chemicals.
Located in Chiapas in a rural part of southern Mexico, Montebello is an area filled with world-class wetlands, orchids, butterflies, and endemic birds
that are popular with tourists and locals alike. But like many of Mexico’s protected areas, unsustainable agricultural techniques, burning of land
leading to forest fires, and dumping of waste into waterways is a challenge to overcome. As Pride campaign manager, Martin traveled to the
twenty-three communities around the park, promoting its value and bringing awareness to threats. He offered solutions, such as recycling and better
land use strategies.
Multiple communities immediately embraced Martin and his message of conservation. Still, he was nervous about some towns that were known to be more
conservative. “I was a little anxious about going to these areas, and I wasn’t sure how effective the campaign would be there,” said Martin. A
breakthrough moment came when he brought his mascot, the threatened Pale-billed Woodpecker, to these particular communities. “The faces of the kids
just lit up; they had never seen something like that before. These communities welcomed the campaign, and Pride made an impact there.”
Before the campaign, only 35 percent of the target community even knew that Montebello was a protected area, while afterwards that percentage grew to
98 percent. Pre-campaign, only 30 percent of community members knew about the threat to their own natural resources from pollution, while
post-campaign surveys revealed that 80 percent now understood the risk of this behavior. This rise in awareness resulted in creation of a
community-run recycling collection center.
Park staff now wear aprons with the campaign slogan and an image of the Woodpecker. Martin is committed to staying at his site and hopes to begin
focusing on organic agriculture; strengthening and promoting the recycling collection center; and educating others about Montebello and why they
should protect it.
Yazmin Yesenia Benitez Partida of CONANP used Pride to target 17 communities in El Vizcaino Biosphere Reserve in Baja California, which, at 2.5
million hectares, is the largest protected area in Mexico. This site is also a breeding ground for the Gray Whale, one of the most popular and
recognizable creatures in the region and therefore Yazmin’s choice for her campaign’s flagship species. One of the biggest threats to the area is the
overuse of scarce freshwater reserves. Using the Grey Whale as a messenger to address water scarcity had its challenges, but Yazmin and her team
developed a slogan that elegantly tied community members’ affinity with the species to their own health and well-being: “Yo, al igual que tu, necesito
el agua para vivir” (I, Like You, Need Water to Live). The Ballena Gris (Grey Whale) mascot visited school and community fairs to educate children –
the next generation of fishers and farmers – about protecting its habitat and using freshwater carefully.
The campaign message could also be seen on large murals painted along city streets, stickers on the windows of restaurants, and t-shirts on the backs
of children and adults. Yazmin showed the community how to wash dishes and cars with less water and the importance of attending to a dripping faucet.
Through activities like these, she inspired over 500 students to send letters to her mascot, and she responded to nearly all. Children in particular
have become an active voice for conservation in El Vizcaino.
At the end of Yazmin’s campaign, the number of school children who knew about water issues and promoted sustainable water practices in the reserve
rose from 9 percent to an astounding 49 percent. Awareness in the community of Yazmin’s site as a national protected area rose from 48 percent before
the campaign to 80 percent after. Often, making local communities who live in and around reserves even aware of the protected status of their natural
resources (and the value of that protection to their own health and well being) is a critical first step.
Yazmin and CONANP made tremendous strides in this area during the campaign. Once a volunteer at CONANP, Yazmin’s position has been made permanent, and
she will continue her successful work in outreach and conservation. “Our mission in CONANP is to conserve,” Yazmin said. “Through Pride we can inform
local communities about the current situation and promote behavior change.”
Yazmin was recently invited to an international cultural exchange on water management in Japan to share insight on her campaign and conservation in
Mexico.
Paty Delgado with CONANP ran a Pride campaign in Cuatro Ciénegas, an area in northern Mexico with a unique system of 450 vernal pools full of unique
biodiversity found nowhere else in the world. Paty’s campaign tackled unmanaged usage of water for agriculture that threatens the water supply of the
vernal pool ecosystem, as well as a particularly unique species — the Coahuilan box turtle — which lives in the region’s vernal pools and which served
as the campaign’s flagship species.
Through the campaign, Paty motivated farmers to adopt more efficient irrigation systems so that less water is pulled from the aquifer, preserving
Cuatro Cienegas’ vernal pools. From her outreach efforts, dozens of land owners were inspired to install new irrigations systems on over 50 hectares
of farmland that now serve as demonstration sites for other farmers to visit as they consider making a change in their water use.
Paty held summer camps and drawing contests to get her message out, all with the help of dedicated volunteers. At the start of her campaign, Paty had
15 salaried interns who helped her implement planning and outreach. But when funding was cut in her department, she was no longer able to pay these
assiduous workers. “I told them, I’m sorry I have no more funding for you,” said Paty “But these workers had become so involved, they wanted to
continue, complete the ideas they had helped create even without money. All of them stuck with me.”
Working with CONANP, local farmers, and the water commission, Paty helped implement a more sustainable irrigation system. Previously, local farmers
used aquifers that wasted a large amount of water that spilled out into irrigation channels and evaporated. Paty’s campaign helped get a grant from
the Mexican government’s water commission to put a new irrigation system into practice, which preserves more water for both the community and the
world-renowned vernal pools. Paty worked on this project with a dedicated group of farmers who then trained others to adopt new irrigation practices
as well. “The methodology of Pride works,” said Paty. “Pride provided me with very useful tools to do the job.”
Alejandra Paredes, a communications and education specialist at the local Ecuadorian NGO EcoCiencia, focused her Pride campaign on the small community
of El Chaco in the nation’s Quijos Valley. EcoCiencia and Rare also partnered with The Nature Conservancy, which has a long history in this region.
Already equipped with plenty of communications and public relations experience, Alejandra added the new tools she gained from the Pride program to
mobilize the community in this tropical Andean hotspot toward more sustainable practices. She was able to run a government sponsored public service
announcement and get the word out about area threats, including over-grazing, water shortages, pollution, and petroleum spills.
Focusing on water issues, Alejandra introduced the community to Filipe, a Mountain Tapir and her campaign’s mascot and flagship species. Filipe asked
the community to preserve water and keep it clean for himself and other animals, which like people need clean water to live. The campaign helped unite
local mayors and conservation supporters around a new watershed management plan that is now being implemented at the municipal level. Pride has become
a signature program for EcoCiencia, and the organization was recently invited to present its model during a national summit to draft Ecuador’s new
constitution. EcoCiencia used Pride to advocate for the role of conservation in the new legislative mandate.
Many of Alejandra’s volunteers who helped facilitate puppet shows, reading groups and radio spots are now interested in pursuing environmental
education at the university level because of the campaign. The community has so heavily embraced the campaign that the municipality is creating a new
local government position to sustain impact. Alejandra will work with this employee to continue contacting farmers about over-grazing issues and
educating the community about water conservation. Alejandra and EcoCiencia have recently been awarded a 10 thousand dollar follow-up grant from Rare
to continue their effective outreach.
Elizabeth Cabrera and her organization Guyra Paraguay “want to stay in San Rafael.” So much so, that “I want to stay in San Rafael” was their campaign
slogan and a message the entire community near San Rafael National Park, Paraguay rallied around by embracing conservation of their unique natural
heritage. San Rafael is home to 60,000 hectares of Atlantic Forest habitat, one of the most biologically diverse and threatened ecosystems in the
world. Threats include deforestation, forest fires, and pollution from agro-chemical farming.
Elizabeth’s initial research showed a third of the population didn’t know that San Rafael was a protected area, but that many were aware of
deforestation in the area and were willing to volunteer. She pulled together community members to help mobilize a Pride campaign. “The local
volunteers from my community were empowered and really helped this campaign get off the ground”, she said. “Everyone worked together; it was a true
collective effort.”
Elizabeth spread her message about a clean and healthy forest anywhere she could place a sticker. She held “mini conservation courses” and took groups
to visit the reserve. Because of Elizabeth’s campaign more than 135 children and teenagers visited and learned about protecting the forests of San
Rafael, as well as planted 135 native trees around their schools and homes.
Elizabeth helped farmers adopt more sustainable practices, including production of organic watermelons as an alternative to destructive soya crops.,
After Elizabeth’s campaign, the practice of organic agriculture grew by 20 percent (with hundreds of local farmers altering behavior), and organic
watermelons are becoming a staple in the area.
Throughout the campaign, community members could be heard singing the campaign song, which was set to a polka tune, a popular genre of music in
Paraguay. Victoria Aquino, mayor of the neighboring community Alto Vera, became highly involved in the campaign. she introduced Jaku, Elizabeth’s
mascot representing the Black-fronted Piping Guan bird, to the community, focusing on adolescents, farmers, teachers and indigenous populations like
the Mbya guarani. “I want to see a municipality where our people are proud to work their land and be responsible of taking care of our environment,”
said the mayor, who has worn the costume on occasion. The mayor is now working to increase the territory of San Rafael so that a natural protected
area can be decreed in her municipality.
Elizabeth will now take her Pride toolkit to another community to coordinate a second social marketing campaign, sponsored by Guaya Paraguay. But she
knows her message and work will stay in San Rafael. “I believe we were able to install a permanent capacity,” Elizabeth said. “The volunteers will
continue there in the future.” Guaya Paraguay has secured a quick 20-minute meeting with the President of Paraguay to promote their work, and they
have chosen to highlight the Pride campaign as a model for success.
Elizabeth has recently been nominated for the Overbrook Conservation Fellowship for Latin American Conservationists, a grant which supports
sustainable conservation projects. The award is administered by Columbia University’s Center for Environmental Research and Conservation (CERC).
Jesus Maria Miranda Alvarez was a little skeptical about Pride at first. Working with CONANP, Jesus focused on the Ajos-Bavispe in Sonora Mexico, a
somewhat rural and conservative community that relied on mining for income – regardless of its negative impact on conservation. The area itself is a
habitat for over 200 species of birds and 150 species of butterflies, as well as providing a home to the black bear and endangered Mexican Spotted
Owl. The land is cleared for pit-mines and, as a result, water, soil and air become contaminated. Jesus decided to try a Pride campaign as a way to
promote the value of area watersheds and encourage local residents to use water more effectively.
The people of this area tend to be more reserved or serious, and Jesus wasn’t sure if the colorful social marketing campaign would have any effect.
Jesus was persistent and invited farmers to workshops five separate times before they accepted. When they eventually came, Jesus was pleasantly
surprised about how the community received his message. “When the residents saw the mascots they really ‘lit up’ and listened to what we had to say,”
said Jesus. One boy became so intrigued by Jesus’s campaign that he didn’t want to take off his campaign t-shirt to wash it, because he wanted to
conserve water.
When Jesus’s campaign was completed, the number of community members who were aware that they lived in a protected area increased 30 percentage
points. There was also a dramatic rise in the percentage of community members who reported altering their daily actions to preserve water quality. His
coworkers in Sonora are now executing more activities, and his campaign is continuing in this area. “Now I feel capable to run a campaign in another
protected area,” said Jesus. “I have acquired so much knowledge that I feel I now have the tools to do Pride anywhere.”
Zayareth Belendez Hernandez, also working with CONANP, has become very well known through her Pride campaign in Tehuacan-Cuicatlan Biosphere Reserve,
150 kilometers Southeast of Mexico City. The reserve is full of endemic plants, pumas, lynxes, and 350 bird species. Illegal extraction of cacti,
overgrazing, and water pollution threaten this desert ecosystem. In an effort to protect the plants and animals, “Zaya” aimed to educate the community
about water conservation. Zaya was a little nervous about working with children at first, but brought them to the reserve on overnight visits, showing
them its value and introducing them to her campaign mascot – the Mexican ponytail palm. This palm tree holds a lot of cultural value to the area and
lives over 100 years. Now, children and adults alike recognize Zaya as the woman on the radio, with board games, t-shirts, photo contests, bracelets,
booklets and coloring books promoting ways they can conserve water.
To ensure her message is lasting, Zaya made a formal agreement with the state’s education department to work environmental education, specifically the
campaign’s focus on water and forest issues, into the curriculum through 2011. At first, the new curriculum will be implemented in 80 schools, but
there are plans to work it into 1,000 schools in the area. “I feel so respected by the education department in my area,” said Zaya. “I feel recognized
by professors, and it’s so rewarding. We work in such a critical field and I feel that the Pride campaign belongs. Through Pride you become an
engineer, teacher, biologist, etc. as you work with the whole community in a collaborative way.”
Zaya has recently been nominated for the Overbrook Conservation Fellowship for Latin American Conservationists, a grant which supports sustainable
conservation projects. The award is administered by Columbia University’s Center for Environmental Research and Conservation (CERC).
Paulina Saucedo Mora and CONANP launched aPride campaign in Cozumel National Park, Mexico, promoting safe practices for divers to protect the coral
reef system from pollution and misuse. Cozumel’s reefs are some of the most famous and beautiful in the world. Paulina also worked with the Coral Reef
Alliance to target local scuba diving outfitters, asking them to ensure that divers respect the reefs and that boating operators comply with current
protective laws to avoid further damage.
Organizing town hall meetings, beach clean-ups, and school events, Paulina became more driven as she saw the way community members reacted toward her
campaign and wanted to get involved. Through the Coral Reef Alliance, Paulina helped produce and distribute a national public service announcement
about protecting the reefs. Her mascot, Strombus, delivered conservation messages to more than 9000 kids — 10 percent of the total island population!
Paulina, who inhabited the costume herself multiple times, told children a story about her mascot and how he deserved a clean and safe home, just like
them.
Pride campaign messages were also featured in a national public service announcement on coral reef protection, produced with the Coral Reef Alliance.
Currently, 50 percent of the island of Cozumel is under protected status. A growing constituency of local youth inspired by the campaign is now
working to secure 100 percent protection for their ecologically rich, but heavily threatened home.
“Every protected area needs a Pride campaign,” said Paulina “There are many challenges, but we have great results.” Paulina’s mother attended the
graduation and spoke about her daughter’s hard work. “I witnessed how Paulina reached out into the community to speak on behalf of conservation. This
program has influenced her so heavily, and I am incredibly proud of her."
http://rareconservation.org/news/article.php?id=39
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fishbuck
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I didn't know that Grey Whales drank fresh water!
How do they do that exactly?
So they conserved fresh water and that helped grey whales?
I think we may have found the flaw in the Biosphere Reserve. The science seems a little off.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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mY FISH friend if you keep doing this , they will make ceviche out of you 
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BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Im sorry i didn't wanted to hijack the thread,,,
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Good God it's only $5.00 P-nche dollares !!! You spend $ 5.00 in gas looking for parking in any of Ca. beaches.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SKIDS
Good God it's only $5.00 P-nche dollares !!! You spend $ 5.00 in gas looking for parking in any of Ca. beaches. |
i ride a bicycle!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SKIDS
Good God it's only $5.00 P-nche dollares !!! You spend $ 5.00 in gas looking for parking in any of Ca. beaches. |
$5/per day person
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
So goat please tell us about all the wonderful things that are happening in the Bioscam to keep it pristine and beautiful.
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fishbrain:
like any conservation effort, the process is never perfect, but conservation only happens if people care and contribute and work for it. there are
lots of well-intentioned people working on conservation in baja, and your juvenile criticism of conservation efforts is based on ignorance.
there are lots of projects in vizcaino, and I only know of a few:
(1) establishment of conservation easements in SI lagoon, and ejido luis echeverría's use of conservation easement funds to promote restoration and
sustainable development
(2) protection of pronghorn antelope
(3) protection of big horn sheep
(4) protection of sierra de san fransisco cave paintings
(5) development of low-impact eco-tourism businesses in SI lagoon and sierra de san fransisco
(6) numerous academic research projects of ecology
(7) numerous domestic and foreign NGOs seeking funds for conservation and preservation projects, resulting in several million dollars spent to date.
(8) several fishing cooperatives have developed sustainable approaches to commercial fishing, and fought off fisheries poaching
fishbrain, don't be so selfish, and get out there and learn about what is going on and contribute!
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
like any conservation effort, the process is never perfect, but conservation only happens if people care and contribute and work for it. there are
lots of well-intentioned people working on conservation in baja, and your juvenile criticism of conservation efforts is based on ignorance.
there are lots of projects in vizcaino, and I only know of a few:
(1) establishment of conservation easements in SI lagoon, and ejido luis echeverría's use of conservation easement funds to promote restoration and
sustainable development
(2) protection of pronghorn antelope
(3) protection of big horn sheep
(4) protection of sierra de san fransisco cave paintings
(5) development of low-impact eco-tourism businesses in SI lagoon and sierra de san fransisco
(6) numerous academic research projects of ecology
(7) numerous domestic and foreign NGOs seeking funds for conservation and preservation projects, resulting in several million dollars spent to date.
(8) several fishing cooperatives have developed sustainable approaches to commercial fishing, and fought off fisheries poaching
fishbrain, don't be so selfish, and get out there and learn about what is going on and contribute!
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I think I've seeen some real shifts in attitudes among locals about conservation and the environment over the years and I think much of it is a
generational thing. In the 70's trash wasn't much of an issue because the plastic grocery bag hadn't been introduced yet and locals just didn't
produce that much trash. Beer cans along the new highway were the biggest issue. For a view on the shift in perspective in the Viscaino see Bruce
Berger's great book "Almost An Island" which describes attitudes toward the Pronghorns back then. I've seen the same shifts in attitude in Mulege
over those 35 years as the new generations are exposed to new environmental ideas. Still a ways to go but the changes have been for the better. I
compare this to rural northern Minnsota where I grew up. In the 50's there all the back woods families had their own little garbage dumps and by 1960
or so that was no more. I think the "Pride" programs described in Diver's post are great and really work. Last fall I saw a large group of young
people picking up trash and plastic bags in the desert south of GN, gave a big wave and a thumbs up as I rode by and got smiles and big waves in
return. I think a little positive reinforcement goes a long way and is more productive than the negative attitudes reflected in some posts on this
forum. I'm happy to contribute a few bucks toward these efforts even if there may be some flaws, as a tourist enjoying Mexican hospitality I don't
feel it is for me to point them out.
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I couldn't care less if its $26/year or $86/year
And I don't give a rat's ass if Jaime pockets it {he never would}
If it helps in any small way to make the WHOLE area better
I'm in...no questions asked
I love this area and spend a lot to be there and do the things I
love to do there
$26 bucks???...Get real !!!!
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