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Possible ECR spur trail
David and Harold and anyone else that might know.
What is this trail?
On Google Earth the coordinates are 28.10549N 113.7267900W.
It is a well defined trail and it appears to have no modern use by wheeled vehicles.
Is it a spur trail for the ECR?
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Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy  | David and Harold and anyone else that might know.
What is this trail?
On Google Earth the coordinates are 28.10549N 113.7267900W.
It is a well defined trail and it appears to have no modern use by wheeled vehicles.
Is it a spur trail for the ECR? |
Nope...
Might be one of several N/S auto tracks in the Vizcaino Desert. Many can be attributed to the Pemex oil exploration test wells of the 1950s. I bet
Harald has them documented!
An El Camino Real trail connects missions, visitas, water sources, & sea landings. None go into the vast desert plain as the one you tagged does.
There is another parallel to it, just east I spotted.
Zoom in close onto yours and see parallel (auto tire) tracks. ECR is a single track unless an auto road was put on top of it (very common in populated
places).
See all the ECR tracks on Google Earth at www.caminorealbaja.com
Keep up the good work, John!
[Edited on 1-30-2025 by David K]
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Hmmm, flew the drone over it and it does not look like any sort of wheeled made track.
I tried walking on it but it looks like I missed by a 100 feet or so. I thought I was on it but reviewing my track it looks like I came up just a
little bit short and found another well defined trail that I walked for a bit.
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I haven't yet been down to see any of the ECR trails, but have been making good use of my Garmin GPS device in the San Gabriel mountains of Southern
California Alta. I have noticed that depending on the terrain, sometimes I mark a track of waypoints and when I get back to civilization and look at
them on Google Earth, there are some individual points that are off by a good 100 feet. I am 100 percent certain of this, as I can see landmarks on
Google Earth that I saw on the ground (on the hike), like game trails...and I know exactly where I was and that the Garmin marked waypoint is
surprisingly off. I was attributing this to the steep nature of my hikes (cross country, not on a trail), and the large pine trees near my waypoint
location.
I just looked at the GPS coordinate you posted, and see that it is right on top of a track or trail. That area doesn't look like the type of terrain
that would throw a waypoint reading off.
The track that your GPS coordinate is right on top of looks like a double track, like an automobile track. Not too far south of your posted GPS
coordinate, there looks to be a single track, which crosses the double track in a southwest - northeast direction. This single track crosses the
double track at 28.1045085, -113.7268056
I can 'follow' that single track on Google Earth a long way to the southwest, where it look like it terminates into a confluence of dirt roads at
28.0802381, -113.7667294, whereas to the northeast not too far before I loose sight of it (I loose confidence in it at 28.1087176, -113.7222020).
Following your GPS marked 'double track' to the north, it looks like it terminates at a good, well-traveled dirt road at 28.1169686, -113.7268403
Following your GPS marked 'double track' to the south, it looks like it terminates at a good, well-traveled dirt road at 28.0923350, -113.7267571
Between the northern and southern terminuses of your GPS marked 'double track', the only followable track on Google Earth I see that intersects the
double track, is the single track I mentioned above.
[Edited on 1-31-2025 by cupcake]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy | Hmmm, flew the drone over it and it does not look like any sort of wheeled made track.
I tried walking on it but it looks like I missed by a 100 feet or so. I thought I was on it but reviewing my track it looks like I came up just a
little bit short and found another well defined trail that I walked for a bit.
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Not sure why you would be out on the open plain, so far west of El Arco?
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Kinda lost while making my way to G.N. from Rancho Los Corrales
The coordinates I gave are from Google Earth, my track was south of that by about 100 feet.
I was traveling from Los Corrales to G.N. when I stopped for the night. The next AM I was flying the drone around when I saw the track and decided to
walk to it after some breakfast.
I walked north from the road I camped along for about a half mile when I came up on a track I thought was it, I then followed it towards the east for
about 3/4 of a mile.
Later looking at my path on the phone it looks like I missed what I saw on the drone by a hundred feet or so.
I will probably have to wait until I download and review the drone footage and see if it will give coordinates.
But it certainly looks like a trail, not a road.....
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Attachment: onXmaps-01_30_25-173808.gpx (347B)
This file has been downloaded 86 times
Not sure if this will work from OnX
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https://filebin.net/mt8gtyt6ybv8afze
John,
I made a KML file of the waypoints I mentioned in my previous post. It is available for the next six days at the above link. The only waypoint that is
labeled in this file is your GPS coordinate.
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Maybe I was walking it and it is the track to the east. If that file works then you can see my actual path
I camped right on the road, walked across the desert to the path the followed it towards the east for aways before turning south back to the road
which I then followed west back to my car.....
P.S. Don't ever get lost out there without good current maps.I drove down dead end road after dead end road trying to find my way out of there! No
service there and all FOUR of my navigation methods did not help other then give a big overview.
I thought I was going to run out of gas before I found my way out of there!
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I will when I get home....I hate trying to do stuff on my phone....I need a computer.
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I tried two online GPX to KML converters and they could not convert your file.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy |
P.S. Don't ever get lost out there without good current maps.I drove down dead end road after dead end road trying to find my way out of there! No
service there and all FOUR of my navigation methods did not help other then give a big overview.
I thought I was going to run out of gas before I found my way out of there! |
That is a scary scenario, which I can visualize, even though I haven't been in that situation yet in Baja. It seems to me that having Google Earth
with me in such a situation would improve my chances. But, how could a person have Google Earth with them, in an automobile or a backpack?
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake | | Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy |
P.S. Don't ever get lost out there without good current maps.I drove down dead end road after dead end road trying to find my way out of there! No
service there and all FOUR of my navigation methods did not help other then give a big overview.
I thought I was going to run out of gas before I found my way out of there! |
That is a scary scenario, which I can visualize, even though I haven't been in that situation yet in Baja. It seems to me that having Google Earth
with me in such a situation would improve my chances. But, how could a person have Google Earth with them, in an automobile or a backpack?
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If you want to see where you are relative to El Camino Real, download the free Avenza App and buy the digital Benchmark Baja Atlas ($19.99), which has
the ECR and all roads on it. No cell service necessary. It uses satellites to show your live location. It also can show tracks of your travels (to
share with us Nomads)!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
If you want to see where you are relative to El Camino Real, download the free Avenza App and buy the digital Benchmark Baja Atlas ($19.99), which has
the ECR and all roads on it. No cell service necessary. It uses satellites to show your live location. It also can show tracks of your travels (to
share with us Nomads)! |
Thanks David, that's good to know. It looks like a person might even get a setup suitable for a backpack. With a vehicle, maybe no limit to the size
of the screen on your device, and maybe no low battery issues as well.
It might not be the same as having Google Earth with you, though. The thing about Google Earth is that you are looking at 'photos' of the actual
ground. Or, at least the actual ground the way it was sometime in the past (which may be different after a flood, etc.). I have also noticed that
Google Earth can often make terrain look 'smoother' than it really is. I have done hikes with 3rd class climbing, where a fall in the wrong place
would result in broken bones or death, and when I get back to the computer and look at the GPS waypoints I marked on the trip, the entire route,
including the sketchy sections, looks smooth and easy. Still, with Google Earth, I think I might see things, like game trails, which are not going to
be present on other types of maps and apps.
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it is one of the many Pemex exploratory tracks
onX tracks do not work on Google Earth
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
The thing about Google Earth is that you are looking at 'photos' of the actual ground. Or, at least the actual ground the way it was sometime in the
past (which may be different after a flood, etc.). I have also noticed that Google Earth can often make terrain look 'smoother' than it really is. I
have done hikes with 3rd class climbing, where a fall in the wrong place would result in broken bones or death, and when I get back to the computer
and look at the GPS waypoints I marked on the trip, the entire route, including the sketchy sections, looks smooth and easy. Still, with Google Earth,
I think I might see things, like game trails, which are not going to be present on other types of maps and apps.
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in just plain down to earth satellite view everything looks flat
that's why Google Earth has the 3D function where you tilt your view angle
then you see all hills, mountains, deep canyon, steep climbs
Google Earth is the only app that offers this service
it even gives you an elevation profile showing the steepness of any trail in detail
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Harald, thanks for posting the onX image. This is the first onX image I've seen (actually, I didn't even know about onX at all), and it looks
impressive. Here is what AI tells me about the difference between onX and Google Earth:
"For outdoor activities like hunting, hiking, and off-roading, onX is generally considered better than Google Earth because it provides highly
detailed land ownership information, specific trail data, and custom waypoint creation features, which are not as prominent in Google Earth's
general-purpose mapping capabilities; however, if you need a comprehensive view of the Earth for broader exploration and visualization, Google Earth
is the better choice."
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake | Harald, thanks for posting the onX image. This is the first onX image I've seen (actually, I didn't even know about onX at all), and it looks
impressive. Here is what AI tells me about the difference between onX and Google Earth:
"For outdoor activities like hunting, hiking, and off-roading, onX is generally considered better than Google Earth because it provides highly
detailed land ownership information, specific trail data, and custom waypoint creation features, which are not as prominent in Google Earth's
general-purpose mapping capabilities; however, if you need a comprehensive view of the Earth for broader exploration and visualization, Google Earth
is the better choice." |
I am showing an Google Earth image
can't open the onX file
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OK, thanks for correcting my assumption. I will have to wait for my first onX experience. Just going by what I have been reading, I expect Google
Earth to be the better system for me.
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Here are some pictures of the trail.
Clearly a foot path, no wheeled traffic.
Also it is quite deep and well worn.
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