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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 12:55 PM
What was the Pez Mulier?


Was reading an article on Jesuit medicine at the Baja California missions and came across this interesting bit.
In 1711 a Jesuit named Estyneffer wrote a book conceived as an aid to medicinal practitioners at Jesuit missions in the north including California. The book was popular at the Jesuit missions.

"Finally, a mysterious remedy recommended by Esteyneffer was the bone of the pexe mulier (woman fish), which was good to help stop bleeding, including from excessive menses; when applied topically, it helped coagulate. According to Esteyneffer, beads of rosaries were made from the bones of this “fish,” and hanging one of these rosaries to one’s neck, or to the hips, supposedly helped the patient to stop bleeding.82 The pexe mulier was probably a common sea mammal mistakenly assumed by Jesuit missionaries to have woman-like breasts. Barco, the most important of all Jesuit naturalists at the California mission, wrote that information about “the pez mulier or nereides” had come from Victoriano Arnés (1736–88), who had found a dry carcass of this “fish” at a northern beach of the peninsula."


https://brill.com/view/journals/jjs/12/2/article-p209_2.xml

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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 01:05 PM


My guess is dried shovel nose guitar fish. Present along the Pacific coast of Baja. Arnés found his at Puerto Canoas.

https://saveourseas.com/update/guitarfish-from-mythical-crea...



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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 01:21 PM


Del Barco's passage about the Pez Mulier.

The rarest fish, which has sometimes been seen on this same coast, is the one called the mulier fish or nereides. 128 The missionary of the new mission of Santa María, who was Father Victoriano Arnés at the time of establishing it, on one of his voyages, found one of these fish on the beach, at 31 degrees latitude, already dead and dried. He described it in these words: "The mulier fish had the shape of a woman, halfway up; and of a common fish, halfway down. Since we found it dry and flattened like a codfish, we couldn't glean much anatomy. However, its face, neck, shoulders, and chest appeared white, as if it were wearing a corset and its breasts were uncovered; although I don't remember if the nipples were visible. The rest was covered in scales and ended in a tail like other fish. Its size was about two palms, and in proportion to its width, similar to that of a Codfish. No arms or hair were found. We found it on the beach opposite my mission of Santa María, in the southern sea, in an inlet formed at the end of the stream called Catabiñá." Thus far, the aforementioned missionary. Regarding this, it should be noted that if, even when dry, the features of a human face could be distinguished, it can be inferred that, when this fish was fresh and alive, they would represent them much more accurately, especially the breasts: when it is known that either great old age or prolonged illness consumes and destroys the breasts of women who are still alive.
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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 01:48 PM


I am thinking that the Padre's perception of a "womanlike" fish may have been a side effect of a lifetime of isolation and celibacy.



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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 02:25 PM


"Arnés hastened back to the mission with the Pez Mulier, had a little dress made for it, and called it Linda"
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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 02:37 PM
Padre Ignacio Tirsch illustration (~1760s)


Padre Tirsch was the Jesuit at Mission Santiago during the final Jesuit years. Since San José del Cabo was reduced from a mission to a visita (of Santiago) from 1748-1768, Tirsch was in charge of that seaside location, too.





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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 04:18 PM


The shovel nosed guitar fish appears to a member of the skate family, which would not fit with the statement published; " The rest was covered in scales and ended in a tail like other fish".



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[*] posted on 7-1-2025 at 04:37 PM


The thing I find most interesting is that the idea of a Pez Mulier was already part of the Jesuit consciousness (via Juan de Esteyneffer) before Arnés found the dead animal on the beach.

Never seen that mentioned before.

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[*] posted on 7-2-2025 at 02:19 PM


It is not surprising that Arnés had trouble identifying what a 'woman fish' is, after all, he wasn't a biologist! :rolleyes:

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[*] posted on 7-2-2025 at 06:24 PM


Don't you think Tirsch drew a 'woman fish' pretty well, don't you guys? LOL



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