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sylens
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20 year-old
apparently she was related to mayor cesar mancillas's family. story first was she suicided and the press went to town identifying where the bruising
was--lower back of the head...pretty hard to self inflict. trust/confidence in cops here is plummeting further than ever and it was never high.
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MrBillM
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Suicide by Cop
If, in fact, she was resisting lawful arrest, she alone is responsible for her death.
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Bruce R Leech
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well yea but don't you think that police could arrest a girl a little more professionally than that.
lucky for the police that her name wasn't Natalie
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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comitan
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The women had a mental problem.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
well yea but don't you think that police could arrest a girl a little more professionally than that.
lucky for the police that her name wasn't Natalie
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by Bruce R Leech] |
Bruce - May I assume you're talking about the missing in Aruba as opposed to your fellow Nomad? Or... 
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
The women had a mental problem. |
yes and even more now
yes Natalie Ann you are right
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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PacO
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It's all about training. That, and giving a chit. Besides, how many 20 year olds have their chit even remotely together as far as how to act towards
authority let alone the totality of life. Except MrBillM, of course.
North of the border we have multiple classes on how to restrain an uncooperative person, it's really not difficult at all and usually takes only a
pressure point or two. I can only guess w/the pay scales south of the border that the training might not be too intensive in that regard.
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The Sculpin
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Let me see if I understand you, Comitan....
Since she had a mental problem, she somehow had what happened coming to her, or
Since she had a mental problem, it's OK for cops to use different and more novel ways of restraint, or
Since she had a mental problem, why are we even discussing this, or
are you just throwing out chum to see who bites (gulp), or
well.......I, as well as many other Nomads sure have been accused at one time in our lives of having a mental problem, therefore, we all deserve what
we get from the authorities???
Help me out here, bud......
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I agree, Comitan. Perhaps you should think your response through a little more thoroughly next time.
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Two comments:
- MrBillM statements are insensitive and out of line
- any jokes on this thread are insensitive
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The last statement was from me, sorry, didn't notice I wasn't logged in.
Regarding Comitan statements, I cannot comment, they are ambigous. Remember his came after MrBillM's ******* comments, and could be interpreted as
saying we should take that into consideration in why she acted as she did and the polica should have been more sensitive. Or it could be saying
something else, that is not so good (like Sculpin is saying). But, I tend to doubt the latter. Maybe I'm wrong.
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by BajaNomad]
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Officers Probed in Woman's Death
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-irvine27aug27,1,4996...
Ensenada police say the Irvine student killed herself in her cell, but prosecutors dispute their version of the events Aug. 9.
By Mai Tran and H.G. Reza, Times Staff Writers
August 27, 2005
Nine Ensenada police officers are being investigated regarding their alleged involvement in the fate of an Irvine college student who died this month
while in their custody, Mexican officials said Friday.
The investigation is expected to wrap up next week, and the findings will be forwarded to a judge for review, said Rosa Isela, a spokeswoman for the
prosecutor's office in Ensenada.
No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Pauline Del Carmen Baeza-Saucedo, 20, of Irvine who, according to Isela, died Aug. 9 from a skull
fracture when her head hit the jail floor. Authorities are dismissing an earlier account by Ensenada police that the woman had committed suicide in
her cell, Isela said.
"We believe that she was dropped as the officers carried her into the cell," Isela said in a telephone interview.
On Aug. 8, Baeza-Saucedo was trying to "kill time" in Mexico while waiting for relatives to arrive at their San Diego home, said her mother, Carmen
Saucedo. The young woman often traveled with friends to attend concerts in Rosarito, her mother said, but this was the first time she'd been to
Ensenada.
Family members and authorities said they don't know what she was doing or who she was with when she arrived in Ensenada. But on Aug. 9, Isela said,
Baeza-Saucedo was found sleeping in a vehicle at a used-car lot near downtown. According to the police report, she said, Baeza-Saucedo appeared
drugged as officers arrived and she became combative when they attempted to take her into custody.
According to a statement issued by prosecutors Friday, police told investigators that Baeza-Saucedo began hitting her head against the window and side
of the car as they attempted to pull her from it.
Isela said investigators could not substantiate the police version of events. And a video, she said, showed that Baeza-Saucedo was not aggressive or
resisting arrest when she was brought to police headquarters. Police told investigators that they later ? at 11:15 p.m. ? discovered her lying on the
floor inside her cell and called for medical help.
Toxicology tests performed at the time of the autopsy showed that Baeza-Saucedo had drugs in her system "consistent" with methamphetamine, Isela said.
Saucedo said her daughter suffered from a bipolar medical condition and may have been disoriented because she had temporarily stopped taking her
medication."I'm sure it had a lot to do with her disorientation," Saucedo said. "That's one of the side effects of not taking the medication. She
probably didn't even know she was in Ensenada. She was probably scared, stressed and lost her equilibrium."
Saucedo said she was upset with Ensenada police, who she believed could have saved her daughter's life by promptly calling paramedics.
"She would have been alive," the mother said.
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Bruce R Leech
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Santiago they are going to tare you up for that one. and I'm going to watch.
if I were you I would delete that post.
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comitan
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My reply was in reference to MrBillM's post, basically saying she had no control over her actions. Nothing implied as to the actions of the police.
Which I think has been expressed well by other posts.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Bruce R Leech
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Santiago you are a smart person
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Smugness and projection are unattractive traits.
I wonder about people like that's parents, and what they must have gone through to turn out like that.
They're hoping to arouse and torment for their pleasure, but they're really just pathetic.
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Sallysouth
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The report/article that "anonymous" posted was in the LA Times this morning, word for word. I'm just glad that "they" are investigating this, and we
can only hope for a "just" outcome.
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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The Sculpin
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Comitan, your economy with words betrays the depth of their meaning. Thanks for the clarification.....
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comitan
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sculpin
I have always been economical (Brevity) with words, in school taking a 3hrFinal exam finishing in 20min walking out with those looks, Yes I passed
barely.
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by comitan]
[Edited on 8-27-2005 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Any young Persons Death under the "Reported" events of this type is Sad!
there is some indication that there were Drugs in the Deceased .
Question Truth /or False. Is a person who uses those type Drugs "Mentally Ill"?
Skeet
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