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Diver
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Avoiding L.A. Traffic
I've been looking for a new route to avoid the LA traffic. I'll be coming south on I 5 then connecting with I 10 into Phoenix.
I thought I'd try I 5 to Santa Clarita then northwest on Hwy 14 to Palmdale then 138 into San Bernadino and connecting with I 10 east to Arizona.
Anyone know if this route keeps you away from the rat race traffic ? Any better ideas ?
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surfer jim
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The detour is not a good idea....depending on time of day Hwy 14 is gridlock.... and 138 is two lane through mountains....will not be any
better....I-5 can be OK....time it to pass through between 10 am to 2 pm or after 8 pm until 4 am.....weekdays...Thursday and Friday and Sunday late
afternoon are the worst......Sunday early morning is the best.....
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bajalou
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I would take 58 east from Bakersfield to Kramer Jct then south on 395. It merges with I15 at Cajon pass. South to 215, then east on 30 to I10. Not
4 lane all the way but have always moved well over this route.
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For years now, I've been going through Tecate and then to 94, followed by 15 north. Since I was going to Sacramento, I took 395 to four corners and
then the freeway into Bakersfield. A little longer ,but a lot easier on your sanity. In your case, just stay on 15 till you get to 10. Believe me,
this is the only way to go.
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Skeet/Loreto
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The Route through Kramer Jct. is a little longer but usually less traffic.
for many years We went South on 5 to Pasadena 210, then over to 60 to 15 and Down to 805 and the Border. I woud try both and check it out.
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bahiamia
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L.A. Traffic
Try and time your trip so you come through L.A. like around 1:00 or 2:00, or even 3:00 in the morning. The times I've been on the 5 at that hour,
traffic was nothing to speak of.
During the day, though, any of the freeways can be hell, even the detours, and they'll take you far out of the way just prolonging the whole deal.
Early Saturday mornings are good too, for Southland freeways. Every body likes to sleep in, so like 5:00 - 7:00 am on a Saturday is also a real good
time.
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vandenberg
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Sorry, didn't realise you were coming from up north. To avoid the LA traffic you have to get to 99 Bakersfield first. Best bet is 58 at Buttonwillow.
It becomes a freeway again in Bakersfield. Stay on 58 till Cramer's Junction and then take 395 south to 15. Interstate 15 all the way to the San
Isidro border crossing. Or 15 to 94 to the Tecate crossing, my preference. Hope this helps!!
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Ken Bondy
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You might try I-5 to I-210 east to I-15 south.
++Ken++
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No Escape Diver !
There is no escaping traffic in So Cal anymore, but I have taken the route you describe many times over the last 35 years living in Indio and Yucca
Valley. Of course, once I moved to Yucca Valley I stayed in the high desert on 247. Like everywhere else, your described route has gotten more
congested, but it's still the one I would take to reach I10 to Arizona from Northern Cal.
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TMW
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Bajalou has the best route. The 58 to Kramer jct from Mojove is mostly 2 lanes but the traffic moves like a 4 lane.
From I5 to Bakersfield take the Rt 43 exit and get on Panama Lane, it's the east bound route at the jct. Or take the next exit at Rt 119 and go east
(this is Panama Rd.) Either will take you to Rt 99 and north to Rt 58 with a minimum of traffic and lights/stop signs.
Taking Rt 58 from I5 brings you down Rosedale hwy and thats a traffic jam almost all hours of the day. Most of the new construction is out there and
no new main roads. You'd hit about 15 traffic lights and none are sync'd.
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TMW
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Also if you come thru the Bakersfield area in the evening or early morning be very careful of the fog. It can be very dense. Don't go barreling thru
it. A couple of years ago we had 30 or so car pile up on 58 toward Tehachapi. The TV crew taped a woman running late for work and she passed around
the road block and hit a fire truck that was crossways on the hwy. she was doing about 30mph. Bam, dead stop. The sound was caught on tape. The air
bag was a real life saver.
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Al G
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Bakerfield via 395 to Chula Vista= 287 miles
Bakerfield via LA to Chula Vista= 251 Miles
I'll do the extra 36 Mile with a smile, dreaming Baja
Sorry Diver a little off topic.
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Barry A.
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I am with Ken Bondy----------
-------plan on hitting the LA area at either 9 to 11AM, or 2 to 3PM---------- take the I-5 south to the I-210, East on the 210 to the I-15, then south
on the 15, to the I-10 East.
I have done the other ways, and tho scenic, I still think the way described above, within the time-frames laid out, will do the trick. Always works
for me, (so far)-------??
I also go to San Diego thru LA on the I-5 within the timeframes above and have never had any particular problems, and few stop-and-go's. Been doing
it for years.
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Contagious Dyslexia
The original question was how to best get from Northern California to PHOENIX, Arizona and there are all sorts of answers regarding the drive to the
San Diego area or Tecate.
Regarding the infamous Bakersfield fog, a few years back I did some Network installation in Oakland and ended up on Hwy 99 through that area. The fog
was so dense, you could only see a few car lengths ahead. Caution was indicated, BUT said caution might well get you killed, too, from cars and
trucks roaring up behind you. Rather than pull off and wait for the fog to lift, I would wait for a Truck or car to come roaring by and then speed up
to where I could just keep their taillights in view. Since I wasn't willing to go above 80, they kept pulling away from me. I'd then slow down until
someone else came roaring up. A very tense drive.
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Sharksbaja
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With the exception of going to Arizona on my way, I have tried all the possible routes.
I have found.......
THEY ALL SUCK! Travel at 1:00am-4:00am is my best advise.
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thebajarunner
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Wow!!!!
Well, some good, some not so good, some not on point.
Here we go.... (I used to live in Tacoma, now in Central Cal- know all the routes...)
Yes, if there is a chance you will be in the LABasin anytime except late night, or mid-day, take the 58 over the high desert as described.
However..... switch over from I-5 to 99 at Stockton. The Cross-town freeway is the only close 5/99 connection below Sacramento!
Also, I never drive across SoCal without having KNX-AM 1070 on the dial and listening. Always!!!
That is the best advise that you will garner from all of the above.
It helps to have a basic understanding of SoCal freeways, if not then have someone keep the AAA Southern California map open and ready at all times.
We have really good luck with taking the 210 across the Northern end of the basin. You can duck down to the 10 on the 15, or even down to the 60 if
KNX says the 10 is jammed. (The 10 and the 60 meet up at Banning)
Good luck, get 1070 locked on and playing!
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John M
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I-5 to 210 to I-15 to I-10
The route Ken Bondy and Barry A described I think would be the best. The only disagreement is when Barry suggested hitting southern California between
2 and 3 p.m. - The 210 freeway eastbound through the Pasadena area can be a nightmare during those times. My suggestion would be to arrive near the
I-5/210 interchange in the northern part of LA between 9:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. - at the very latest. Of course as others said if you manage to enter
the greater L.A. area between 10:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m. you'd have a good chance of sailing. John M.
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Unless you're in love with Interstate 5...
...and if the road was not icy, I'd hook a left on HW89 to Reno. The run down the back side of the Sierras is no problem, and you get to stop in
Vegas. It's an easy hop on over to Phoenix. For me to get to the frontera, I have no choice but to deal with "Bakersdiego". We usually catnap in
the camper at the Tule Elk Preserve, and I'm so anxious, the yo yo's are just getting out of the bars when I'm trying to put dizzy-land behind
me!! I was in Phoenix late last month, be ready for smog and heavy traffic.
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surfer jim
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After reading all this advice......maybe you should....fly?
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