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Juan del Rio
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Frank Sinatra/Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo/San Juanico
Frank Sinatra and Mexico have always been one in the same to me. In the 50's, early 60's...Frank was, "South of the Border", in more ways than one
could count. I don't care that I'm showing my age... he sang about Mexico in my early years of music development (way before ipods/mp3's/CD's
cassettes...we're talkin' four/eight track here!) and I have passed that love of Frank?s music to my three boys...who, believe it or not, like
listening to Frank at the dinner table...on occasion, with my young bride and a good tri-tip from the Bar-b-Que/Baja Style!
So what does this have to do with Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo?
Over dinner and through a discussion with my family about my fourth grader's current homework assignment on the California Missions, I realized that
Cabrillo, on his way North...up Mexico's mainland, then up the Baja coast, to "Alta" California, Cabrillo most likely had to stop along the way in
various, "Baja, Port-of-Calls", before he discovered San Diego, San Pedro, Ventura, Santa Barbara, etc. It was in discussion with my ten year old,
that Cabrillo, most likely put anchor near our second home in San Juanico... as it is has a perfect bay with fresh water that could be found nearby in
those days (I think). Although I have no way to back this up, just living in the area since 1997, one would realize that this could have been the
case.
Anyway, back to Frank and Baja: His song, "That's Life", has always been a favorite of mine. Whenever I'm in one of those "Baja situations", this song
has just stuck in my mind.
Nothing more or less...just a simple family observation and a love for Frank's music and a passion for more knowledge for very early Baja History that
wasn't recorded.
Any info on Cabrillo and his travels up the Baja Peninsula that you could share would be great!
Question is: Did Cabrillo stay in San Juanico or anywhere else in Baja before history recorded that he discovered San Diego Bay and/or points North of
the border?
I?d love to continue the dinner discussion with my son on this if you have any historical input!
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Why ask this in the classified ads forum Juan?
I will see what I can dig up on Cabrillo... a Portugese sailing for Spain.
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Juan del Rio
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Cabrillo in San Juanico
David, I'm trolling the classifies for some "Baja Love"!
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Let's see if this can be read?
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On this map of Cabrillo's voyage, #5 is Puerto San Juanico (the present name which was named PTO. LA MAGDALENA on the map)...
Both these pages are from Pablo Martinez' A History of Lower California, c1960
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Here's a zoom in on the Baja peninsula part... Looks to me like Cabrillo made some notes on San Juanico, if not landed there!
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Great stuff, David-----thank you----
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Juan del Rio
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David, thanks! This will help with our dinner discussions this coming weekend. What a great wealth of history knowledge you have on the Peninsula!
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I love the place and may have been there in a previous life (building the El Camino Real perhaps?) 
Not that I have a ton of history knowledge, but I do have a bunch of great books and know where to find information... When you said you were seeking
some Cabrillo details I walked to my book case and grabbed that book first... I haven't 'read' it, but thumming through is where I remembered seeing
that map.
Big thanks to Baja Bernie for it, as well!
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Awesome stuff, David. Where in the heck do you find it?
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David---
-----Pablo Martinez's "A HISTORY OF LOWER CALIFORNIA" is worth reading, tho he is a little "flowery" in some of his descriptions. I also have that
book, bought from a used book store in little Burney, CA for $30 back in 1996.
I believe that some of his stuff has been challenged as to total accuracy, but still, it is deffinitely worth reading, and flows pretty well.
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Cruising the Pacfic Coast Of Baja...
There is another topic going on the board about San Juanico and early sailing vessels that could have stopped in the area. When my friend, Carlos
Fiesta,who did his cicumnavigation of the Baja Peninsula http://www.bajaexpo.com/circumnavigation/adios.htm from San Pedro and up to the Colorado River a couple of years ago in a nineteen foot panga,
said San Juanico was one of the best bays he found. So you gotta figure there have been a lot of early sailors before him who must have said the same
thing. Any more input from the board would be great!
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Martinez, History of Lower California
History book here:
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?bi=614400677
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Along this line of historical exploration, a book I read earlier this year "The Outer Coast" by Richard Batman is an historical account about the
early history of California and the Pacific coast from the arrival of the Spanish missionaries to the cattle hide trade in the early 1840s. There are
several references to Baja California and points of landing.
The text gets a bit 'tedious' at times; you really have to have a genuine interest in the subject matter to get through it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Juan del Rio
Carlos Fiesta said San Juanico was one of the best bays he found. So you gotta figure there have been a lot of early sailors before him who must have
said the same thing. Any more input from the board would be great! |
Better than Santa Maria? I think not.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Juan del Rio
Carlos Fiesta said San Juanico was one of the best bays he found. So you gotta figure there have been a lot of early sailors before him who must have
said the same thing. Any more input from the board would be great! |
Better than Santa Maria? I think not. |
Dave, for Carlos Fiesta to make such a claim, San Juanico must have plenty of beer, women and margaritas!!!
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Juan del Rio
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Santa Maria Bay
Dave, you're right...Santa Maria Bay is a great bay! For Carlos, San Juanico was one the best places for him to land on the Pacific Coast side going
down.
...and David K: you're right as well, whenever Carlos is in town, he always finds the cold beers, the perfect Margarita and usually can track down the
ladies for a dance as well. You just have to appreciate that guy for who he is!
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Juan del Rio
Dave, you're right...Santa Maria Bay is a great bay! |
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Just who is Carlos Fiesta?
A great friend of Baja! His web site is excellent for obtaining information on many detinations in Baja... http://www.bajaexpo.com
Here is Carlos at my first Viva Baja event, 5 years ago, shown with Kacey Smith, author of the Baja GPS Guide...
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Hey Juan! I started looking at that picture and while it's beautiful, it ain't Bahia Santa Maria. Least the one I'm familiar with. SM bay is just
North of Mag. About 65 miles South of Juanico.
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