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ChevronTexaco to build huge LNG terminal
http://eastbay.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2003/10/27/da...
ChevronTexaco Corp. said Thursday it plans to build a $650 million liquefied natural gas terminal off the coast of Baja California, Mexico, that will
be able to process 1.4 billion cubic feet per day.
San Ramon-based ChevronTexaco, the world's fifth-largest oil company, said the freestanding Gravity Based Structure will be located 8 miles offshore
and include facilities for offloading, regasification and storage.
The company said it expects to begin constriuction in 2004 with completion targeted for 2007.
The LNG terminal is the second in North America planned by ChevronTexaco, a major global natural gas player with plans to expand its market share from
production through distribution.
The company previously announced plans for "Port Pelican," a GBS regasification terminal proposed for installation offshore from Louisiana. The
project is undergoing permit review by U.S. authorities.
ChevronTexaco's global gas strategy incorporates large gas field developments, such as the greater Gorgon-area in Australia and Plataforma Deltana in
Venezuela; a proposed LNG project in Angola and the recently announced Brass LNG project in Nigeria; gas-to-liquids projects through its Sasol Chevron
joint venture; and proposed offshore regasification projects, including Baja California in Mexico and the Gulf of Mexico in the United States.
Additional LNG terminal projects are also under consideration for California, ChevronTexaco said.
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Mike Humfreville
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I glanced through an article in the L.A. Times regarding Texaco/Chevron and an alleged $6 Billion damage suit against them in South America. Whill I
have no knowledge other than what I have read, it seems like it might be a good idea to watch them closely in Baja California.
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I saw the same article Mike is referring to. It has to do with environmental damage in Ecuador. I traveled extensively in the region about 10 years
ago and heard horror stories from locals about the damage then. It was the one area we avoided in our travels.
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Dave
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Eight miles offshore from where?
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Stephanie Jackter
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What a quote, Dave.
More spasmodic laughing. Almost as good as photos of Ken Bondy's dog! Keep it coming. - Stephanie
When the goin' gets tough, the wierd turn pro
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The proposed plant is supposed to be located in the Coronado islands, its Mexican territory but any eviromental problems will affect the U.S. and
Mexico equally.
Do Imperial beach residents want that?
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Gas plants
Having spent a good portion of my childhood on the beaches in So.Cal., I kinda miss coming home with globs of black goo on my feet. Would a natural
gas island/ structure produce any of these fond memories for me or will it just be the usual birds falling out of the sky ?
[Edited on 10-31-2003 by Ski Baja]
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Chevron
Did you notice on Friday the announcement by Chevron of record earnings?
Why??? Substantially increased gas & fuel prices... and they told us they were just "passing on increased costs"
Sounds more and more like a goverment deal to me... pass it on, but mark it up!
And I am a raging conservative capitalist,
Whats wrong with this picture??!!
Baja Vida!!
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Beach Tar
Hah ha J.R.... I remember tar on my feet! The first 7 years of my life we lived in Del Mar, right on the beach (3010 Sandy Lane, I recall). My mom has
a bottle of kerosene and a rag or brush next to the side door to clean any tar off. Natural gas plants do not produce this... it seeps up naturally
from the ocean bottom and perhaps from any crude oil leaks from ships or distant platforms.
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Ski Baja
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Tar n stuff
Yep, kerosene was it. hahahaha. I didn't go that far with the recollections, just not being let in the house!
Yesterday, I rescued two birds that were floundering in the waves out front. Is it something in the air ? I took them and put them under that
shipwreck on the beach. They stayed for about a half hour and headed back into the ocean ???
Birdbrains? Suicidal?
Don't know but they were a team.
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chevronTexaco to build LNG terminal
Can anyone help me here, what kind of problems might develop from an LNG terminal? My understanding is there is potential for explosion if severe
leakage were to occur, and ignite. Anything else? Does anyone have knowlege of a Boston Harbor explosion of the 1940's where LNG was the culprit?
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Shell Oil's version....
http://www.shell-usgp.com/lngsaschar.asp
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Jesse et al.,
I really don't see the downside to this guys. Sure Baja will get the crumbs but it will mean at the very least an NG pipeline from TJ to Ensenada and
possibly beyond. Rosarito's electric plant will burn cleaner fuel. Am I missing something here?
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Baja LNG plant
I waited until our weekly meeting to ask my partner in our industrial gas company about the dangers or safety of the proposed LNG plant off the Baja
coast.
I guess that they are planning it 8 miles offshore is a good thing because these babies make a big boom when they go off. Now, to be sure they don't
go off too often, and the fuel they provide the consumer is far cleaner than the liquid goo that is currently being burned in Rosarita and elsewhere.
But, the Shell website you referred to is a joke. If you put any form of LNG in a full, open container and light it, there is a very benign and slow
burn.
Get it in a closed container, get it overheated or super-sparked, like in a ship collision, and POW!!!
There were two massive LNG explosions this summer, one in Sacramento and one in Tulsa. Look it up, when it blows, baby it blows.
And, I am in the business and am defending the concept, just want to set the record straight that this stuff can be very lethal. (Last year a 5000
gallon tank at a neighboring business caught fire. The FD told us that if it had blown it would have levelled a one mile radius, and we were next
door! Just the 'blow-off' was on fire at that point)
check out this site and then tell me it is safe:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/local_government/stor... html
Baja Arriba!!
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"Get it in a closed container, get it overheated or super-sparked, like in a ship collision, and POW!!!"
" (Last year a 5000 gallon tank at a neighboring business caught fire. The FD told us that if it had blown it would have levelled a one mile radius,
and we were next door! Just the 'blow-off' was on fire at that point)"
So...which is it? As far as I know ALL LNG is stored in closed pressurized containers. (has to be) Why didn't this 5000 gl tank blow?
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LNG
They blow when the heat gets so intense that the "bleed off" cannot keep up with the internal heat buildup.
The Sacramento explosion occurred on a very hot day, cylinders left in the sun, one got into a bleedoff mode, sparked off and BOOM! (I assume you
looked at the SacBee article I referenced) Same thing happened in Tulsa.
The reason the tank next door did not blow was that some very very brave fire fighters doused it continually and cooled it down before things let
loose.
Meanwhile, streets were blocked for a mile in all directions an Hwy 99 was shut down while everyone held collective breath.
Does not happen often, when it does it gets real ugly!!
Yeah, as you said, all LNG is stored in closed pressurized containers. Yet, the Shell site that showed how "safe" it is demonstrated how it burns in
an open copntainer. Go back and look at that site.
Their proof proved nothing.... POOF!
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Little over a year ago, Televisa showed some footage from one of their newscoptors of a LPG explosion down near Mexico D.F. The reporter won some sort
of an award for this.
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Photo by: CHARLIE NEUMAN / Union-Tribune
Two of three small boats holding opponents of ChevronTexaco's floating LNG receiving terminals headed out from the small Popotia fishing village to
plant banners on the Coronado Islands to protst the project.
From the week of April 5, 2004.
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LNG - LPG
What are the differences dangerwise in LPG (Propane) and LNG (natural gas)?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
What are the differences dangerwise in LPG (Propane) and LNG (natural gas)? |
http://www.angusfire.co.uk/wnpres78.shtml
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