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Gypsy Jan
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The electric company has penalties for high use?
Hi all,
I've been told by a "reliable source" that the CFE (Comision Federal de Electricidad) has penalties for what they deem is excessive electricity use at
a location.
This "reliable source" says that he is installing 5 separate meters at a commercial use building under construction.
Could the savvy Baja Nomads please clue me in to this? If this penalty exists, when and under what circumstances does it kick in? Is it strictly for
commercial enterprises or does it apply to private home use?
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Bruce R Leech
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it kicks in in stages the more you use the higher the price.
I have 2 meter services here and it helps keep the cost down. but you must try and balance your load on each meter and then together also.
Bruce R Leech
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mcgyver
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The USA has had a similar system for many years. It is called a demand meter. It measures the amount of power you consume at one time and moves a
pointer across the dial of the meter, it stays in the highest position of usage, it also records Kilowatt-hours. At the end of your billing cycle the
meter reader records this position and returns the pointer to 0, this is the rate you pay for the entire billing cycle for the KWH used. It is
actually measuring Amps or starting load, So if you turn on a lot of heavy loads at one time you will pay a much higher rate per KWH than if you
spaced them out only putting some on while others are off. I am surprised that CFE does not have them?
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Bob and Susan
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..remember when you could turn the meter upside down and run it backwards?
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mcgyver
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Yep, Remember it well! Now days most meters are remote read and squeal on you at the first sign of tampering, + theft of service is a felony in a lot
of places! However a high Gauss magnet will do interesting things to your regular old electric meter, alas the utility companies know all the tricks.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
..remember when you could turn the meter upside down and run it backwards? |
that still works on the Mexican meters. but don't get caught.
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vandenberg
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Lencho
For a normal household it's almost impossible to stay within the subsidized shedule. That's almost like a lightbulb and a fridge, and that's it. The
tiered system is nothing new(used all over the world) trying to minimize your usage, but if you have a regular americanised home, you will most likely
reach the 3rd tier ,which makes your electicity very expensive, Try $ 800.00 last Aug & Sep, with the air only going from 4 pm. till 7 am. Ouch!!
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JZ
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Before I realized the cost of electric in MX, I ran my AC a good bit. My bill was $1,600 dlrs total for the months of August and September. Ouch!
I should add the house was only used about 1/2 that time!
[Edited on 2-9-2006 by JZ]
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bajajudy
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Our bill runs about $300 per month in Aug and Sept.
Glad someone mentioned the extra meter. We were debating about a separate meter for our new building and that little bit of information made the
decision....separate meter for sure.
During those months, I run the a/c in the main house 24/7. And unfortunately our house is bloques. With enough trees around, you can keep your block
house shaded which helps a lot.
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vandenberg
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I have a 2 story house with a separate apartment on the first floor, build there for my mother in law years ago. I installed 2 meters, but the
electric company refused to hook both of them up. Reason: with 2 meters you would receive the government subsidized summer rate twice. Definitely a no
no. Even with the second one in a different name, no dice. One dwelling ,one meter.
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Tucker
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Morgaine, not trying to pre-empt Lencho but my experience in the La Paz area is that ceiling fans are mandantory even if you have A/C. In my 2 story,
many windows, I have 3 ceiling fans downstairs and 4 upstairs supplemented by at least 3 stand fans per floor. Moving air is, in my opinion, better
than cool air (but cool ain't bad). I'll have to admit that I ran my A/C some last summer, but it's just to damned expensive.
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
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Bruce R Leech
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insulation is very important. but what is more important is to make sure the son dose not shine in any windows. and to make sure that all door and
windows have good seals. these thing will work your system to death. when you stand outside your front door and fele cold air coming out around the
bottom of the door you have a problem. hot air rises and cool air falls so seal thing good down low.
with ceiling fans you can raise the thermostat about 5 degrees and still have the same comfort. that is a big savings.
you can tell how good of shape you are in by how often the compressor kicks in on your AC unit. I can run mine for about an hour in the morning and
the house will stay cool until about 4 pm then I run it for about an hour more and it will hold until about 10 pm bed time then I run it for half an
hour and it is good for the night.
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JZ
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What temp do you set your AC to.
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Bruce R Leech
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82 day 84 night . with a fan to keep air moving it is very comfortable
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bajajudy
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My a/c's are set on 26 day and 27 night. I, too, have ceiling fans that turn constantly in the summer. I did read somewhere that if you leave a fan
on in a room for extended periods of time, the heat from the fan itself will make the room hotter....i. e. dont leave the fans on when you are not
home. I must say that I doubt these people have ever walked in to a concrete house in the summer in Baja that had not had at least a fan turning.
I also keep all my shades down on the sunny side of the house and am considering putting in some kind of awnings over those windows.
I have minisplits and they work great.
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Dave
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Jan, look at your electric bill. It will tell you what the kw cost is and where the breakage is.
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JZ
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My neighboor is an AC guy and he claims running fans w/the AC is counter productive.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
My neighboor is an AC guy and he claims running fans w/the AC is counter productive. |
He doesn't live down here, does he?
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
-- Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
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JZ
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Lives in SC on the mainland, as humid or more so than Baja.
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bajajudy
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JZ
Could you get your neighbor to explain that to you? I have always thought that fans and A/C dont mix but have always gotten voted down on turning
off the fans.
Also, does he live in South Carolina, you want to talk humid......or where is SC.
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