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woody with a view
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who da guy?
while searching for palm seeds last saturday down the wet arroyo crossing at catavina (west of the highway about 100 yds) i came upon this sight.
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there were no sopilotes circling so i didn't think the guy was dead. i called to my son who was nearby to come over. the guy didn't move. he would
have heard me call to my son and you'd think he would have at least moved!!! so at that point i started tripping on maybe it was some kind of
ambush/setup and we bailed.
stange....
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vgabndo
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Wow Woody...
I guess there are several ways to look at this, but my first response is to be a responder. If it wasn't a suit of clothes full of straw as a gag, and
I just left, I'd have to hope he was dead because I wouldn't want to live with the idea that I abandoned someone in the desert who was suffering.
What did the authorities in Catavina say when you reported it?
Are you just running a scam on we Nomads?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Tomas Tierra
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Looks like a nice place for a dirt nap!
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Barry A.
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Woody------
----not being able to carry my weapon in Mexico, I would have done exactly what you did, and that would have been tough because as a cop I am trained
to help folks. But there is no way that I would have walked into that situation without a weapon, especially having family with me.
What a strange happening, I agree.
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woody with a view
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having training as a firefighter and an emt my first thought is never put myself in a situation where i also will become a victim. there are a hundred
scenarios for the reason this guy was there.
i'll sleep well tonight, thank you-
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Paula
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But Woody, we still don't know if you reported it to the policia in Catavina.
Someone could be missing this guy, and he could be alive in poor health!
I would probably not have approached him myself, but to not ask the authorities to go help him out seems cold.
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Tomas Tierra
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I'm not sure if I would have reported it either. Allof the sudden you could beconnected to something terriblr a long way from home..not sure..
glad it wasn't me..in either position!
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Tomas Tierra
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wish I was in baja though....
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Bob H
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This is very strange. Is it just me or does anyone else see an image of a person standing in the upper center of this photo looking down at Woody.
This looks freaky to me and I think I would have gone quickly to the authorities to report this.
Bob H
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Skipjack Joe
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Un boracho?
I like to think that I would have walked up to check him more closely and provided any aid I could.
More than likely he'd just had too much to drink the night before. A boracho. Sleeping off the effects of the alcohol. A baja version of SF's street
people.
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Natalie Ann
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Likely I'd have gone to check out the guy personally - but even if i had not done so, I would have reported it to the nearest 'authorities'. Could be
someone in need of help... and if it' is a set-up, why leave it for the next guy?
[Edited on 3-24-2006 by Natalie Ann]
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The Sculpin
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I would have thrown a rock at him. It the rock did a low thud with not much spring, I'd say he's dead. If the rock bounces back real fast, he's alive.
I would then throw another rock, but harder. If he groans, he's injured. If he gets up and chases me, it's an ambush!
As for that freaky guy looking down on Woody, that's just Jack (in the box) with a sunburn and really puffy eyes!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
This is very strange. Is it just me or does anyone else see an image of a person standing in the upper center of this photo looking down at Woody.
This looks freaky to me and I think I would have gone quickly to the authorities to report this.
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Bob you are right
I would report it I could not sleep at night if I didn't.
you don't need to help but it is your personal responsibility to get help.
It could have been a trap
it could have been someone that needed help
it could be a dead body that the family would like to recover before the wild animals destroy it.
it could have been many things but every one of them should been reported.
I hope I never get sick by the side of the rode
what is it about most of the tourists here in Baja that when you have trouble on the highway 50 tourists will pass you by but the first Mexican will
stop and help you out
Bruce R Leech
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Tomas Tierra
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Sorry Bruce...But
I believe Woody said this guy was a hundred yards or so up an arroyo, not visible from the road. In the middle of the desert, ina foriegn country,
possible dead dude, possible lurker in the bushes..I'm outa there like a quial on the run! Report it in Catavina? then you are tied to it.
If your sick on the side of the road I'll help you, carefully. If I'm 100 yards away from my vehicle up an arroyo, sorry dude..
Natalie..Easy to type, different with adrenaline at work..
TT
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Diver
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Couldn't agree more, Bruce.
I have twice had to hitch-hike due to car/boat problems in Baja.
Both times I was passed by many, many tourists and picked up by a local.
Chickensh-ts like some of you could have forced me to sleep in the dirt somewhere.
If you have your kids with you or are otherwise impaired,
TELL SOMEONE !! DO SOMETHING !! BE HUMAN !!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sorry Bruce...But
I believe Woody said this guy was a hundred yards or so up an arroyo, not visible from the road. In the middle of the desert, ina foriegn country,
possible dead dude, possible lurker in the bushes..I'm outa there like a quial on the run! Report it in Catavina? then you are tied to it.
If your sick on the side of the road I'll help you, carefully. If I'm 100 yards away from my vehicle up an arroyo, sorry dude..
Natalie..Easy to type, different with adrenaline at work..
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so you would just run away and not report anything?
Bruce R Leech
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Capt. George
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I would have checked for watches or anything gold, also his wallet for extra pesos. Times are getting tough..
sorry, that's my street-self talking...
probably would have not entered the area but would report to next town...
capt g
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Tomas Tierra
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Mr. Leech
pretty much....I guess its hard to say unless your there at the scene but there are just to many variables getting involved in something like that.
chances are my young family would be with me, and the thought of having some kind of bad situation develope is not happening with me...what if you get
blamed??stranger things have happened in Catavina.
report to the authorities...no.....Tell the guy at the pemex, or the guy in the tienda..yes/maybe.....TT
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Natalie..Easy to type, different with adrenaline at work..
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Yes Tomas, it is different to sit here and think about this situation rather than to have been in it.
Had I been in such a situation and felt fear, I would have left to find and tell the nearest authorities and/or people.
Had I not felt fear, I would have approached the man to check out the situation, see if there was some assistance I might offer. And yes, that might
turn out to be a bad choice for me.
I cannot, however, imagine any case in which I would simply ignore another human being in possible need of assistance.
Certainly it is not my intent to judge Woody. He had concerns for his family and acted accordingly. I am a bit taken aback that the incident was not
reported. But again, mine is not to judge... we're discussing a situation here, and no one is on trial.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
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Diver
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Hope it never happens to you, TT.
Maybe someone will help, maybe not ?!
Also a good lesson to teach the kids about responsibility and manhood.
Hope the next generation turns out better than that.
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