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sanfelipebob
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Fix for Directv channels in southern Baja ?
Did anyone figure out why we lots some channels or how we can get them back ???
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Channels Moved
I just posted a response to this question on Fred Metcalf's Board as follows:
This has been covered extensively in the past, including a response by a DirecTV Rep.
DirecTv moved a number of channels to an adjacent satellite in the same allocation slot. Customers within the Contiguous U.S. can receive both
satellites using their existing antennas, however , as you move farther South, the apparent azimuth difference between the two becomes wider resulting
in a loss of whatever channels are on the other satellite. The "Fix" is to have another dish aimed at that second satellite OR devise a mount for a
second LNBF on your existing dish. One Nomad posted a photo of his adaptation during the original discussion.
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link to previous discussion please ?
I can't seem to find the page where this was discussed. Thanks for any help.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
DirecTv moved a number of channels to an adjacent satellite in the same allocation slot. Customers within the Contiguous U.S. can receive both
satellites using their existing antennas, however , as you move farther South, the apparent azimuth difference between the two becomes wider resulting
in a loss of whatever channels are on the other satellite. The "Fix" is to have another dish aimed at that second satellite OR devise a mount for a
second LNBF on your existing dish. One Nomad posted a photo of his adaptation during the original discussion. |
Are you sure the dual satellite setup refers to DirecTV, not Dish Network? It's true that DirecTV did have a newer satellite take
over some of the channels but this satellite is virtually in the same location as the older satellite (101?). This newer satellite is more tightly
focused on the U.S. and that's why the signal dropped out in Baja on the channels it's now carrying. AFAIK, you cannot distinguish between these two
satellites no matter where you live.
On the other hand, Dish Network does use two main satellites for its programming in two different locations (110? and 119?) and you can pick them up
by using two dishes pointed in different directions, or by using one large dish with two LNBs. LosFrailes posted a picture of his setup HERE.
BTW, a dual satellite setup in Baja may not work with certain Dish Network receivers.
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DirecTV, not Dish Network
The original posting regarding this DirecTv problem was answered by a DirecTv Rep whose commentary was posted on Fred Metcalfs Baja Board. DirecTV
launched a satellite into the same orbital slot as the existing satellite (said slots I've read are thirty-five miles wide at that distance) and moved
a number of channels to the adjacent satellite. Both satellites can be received by single-LNBF reflectors within the contiguous U.S., BUT as the
receiving reflector is moved South, the apparent azimuth widens so that in Baja Sur the two can no longer be focused on by the single-LNBF unit.
I am quite familiar with the Dish Network satellite alignments since I have Dish Network at all of my receiving locations and have installed and setup
dozens of Dish Net systems for others. At Rancho Percebu, my humble abode has two Dish 500 reflectors and additional reflectors aligned for 148 West
and 61.5 West, in addition to my other antennas. I'm always expecting the Army patrols to stop in and ask me what all of those antennas are for.
Addendum: I am not quite sure WHY there would be a reason that multiple satellite reflectors could not be used in Baja Sur to focus on different
satellites since there are numerous switches capable of combining those signals on to one coaxial feed. To see how great the variety is: http://www.futurevisionsat.com/Dish_Network.html
BTW, I just purchased (5) of their Dish EZ Remotes for $19.95 each and, although they are not claimed as Dish Branded Equipment, all Five were. A
good deal.
[Edited on 4-16-2006 by MrBillM]
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Dish Network
Can't speak for DirecTV but do know something about Dish.
There are 3 satellites involved with Dish Network, 110, 119, and 129. A Dish 1000 system uses all three if you want all the HD Channels.
However, the majority of the channels that most people want are on 119.
Satellite 110 has a lot of the pay per view channels and some HD channels.
Satellite 129 has some HD channels.
below is a photo of a Dish 1000 reflector and the 3 LMB's.
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Dish Network cont
This is the standard Dish Network 1000 (minus the tripod) setup and will only work down to about Bay of L.A. in Baja or Bahia Kino on the mainland.
After that, you will need a 1 or1.2 meter reflector.
Here's a photo of the LNB's.
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You are where ?? And you didn't stop in Lyle on the way north ?
Yesterday was the easter egg hunt and a Lewis and Clark reinactment at the old elementary school playground in town.
Send me an email or u2 if your coming back this way; we have a 30 amp service and twin mountain views from our visitor's parking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
....Dish 500 reflectors and additional reflectors aligned for 148 West and 61.5 West.
[Edited on 4-16-2006 by MrBillM] |
Quick question MrBillM: What do you receive on 148 and 61.5?
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BCSTech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Both satellites can be received by single-LNBF reflectors within the contiguous U.S., BUT as the receiving reflector is moved South, the apparent
azimuth widens so that in Baja Sur the two can no longer be focused on by the single-LNBF unit. |
If the
DirecTV rep said this, he is talking out of his hat. The distance to the satellites is about 22,300 miles over the equator, adding a few 1,000 for
azimuth and elevation away from directly below the satellite. Even directly below the satellite at it's closest point, 35 miles of separation that far
out is less than 0.1? difference when seen from the earth. A typical 6' antenna has a beamwidth of almost 1.0?. In other words, a 6' antenna would
only "see" one satellite if two were that close together. They would have to be at least 400 miles apart for 1? of separation.
It would be impossible to mount two LNBs side by side on a 6' antenna that would pick up a 0.1? separation. In order for an antenna to resolve two
satellites 0.1? apart, it would have to be something like 60' in diameter (think radio telescope antennas).
I'll see if I can find that post on Bill Metcalf's site. I'll post it here.
Multiple satellite reflectors do work here on Dish Network in B.C.S. just not with all their receivers. It has nothing to do with switches or cables.
It has to do with DVR models and extended program guide functions on 110.
MrBillM, just curious, what size antennas are you installing?
(BTW, good buy on those remotes...)
[Edited on 4-17-2006 by BCSTech]
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Clarification regarding Oribital Slots
I should have worded the previous resonse a little more carefully. The orbital slot (35 miles wide) assigned to an individual satellite does not
equate to degrees of separation in space which is much wider. The article describing that 35 mile assignment was one regarding the failure of
Echostar 4 to achieve the correct orbit. They were able to utilize Echostar 4 after that ONLY by using the positioning motors which are normally used
to correct precession during the satellite life to maintain its assigned position.
There are many cases in which satellites are assigned slots so close together that they are seen by one dish. I first ran into this years ago when I
assisted a Dish Network dealer who was computer illterate in the setup of his factory supplied Gilat Skyblaster Satellite Internet system. Although I
was able to line up the reflector and get a satellite acquisition signal, I could not get a satellite lock. After puzzling over the problem for an
extended period, I finally called Tech Support and the answer was "you're lining up on the wrong satellite". I asked how that could be and he told me
there were (5) satellites at that degree position in space and that the alignment was extremely critical to line up with the correct one. After
getting that information, I was able to FINALLY find the correct one by moving in small increments until I received a lock.
The close proximity of said satellites was to prove a problem to Dish Network shortly after that. Because their installers were being a little sloppy
in their installations of Sky Blaster, the Ground to Space transmitting was bleeding over onto other satellites, including DirecTV. The FCC ordered
Dish Network to institute a training program for their installers or they would withdraw their certification. For a number of weeks (months ?) the
SkyBlaster installs were suspended and the dealers were ordered to inspect every existing installation.
Standard Sized Dish or DirecTV antennas work fine South of San Felipe. In fact, they are being used at least as far South as Gonzaga Bay. At
Percebu, I can get signal strengths in the 80s with standard-sized reflectors.
Wornout - In the past I used the East Coast Dish at 61.5 to receive additional PPV channels, Network channels, WTBS in Atlanta and some additional
PBS. That was during the time period when I used a receiver maintained by a San Felipe supplier. Now that it is no longer available, there are only
a few channels in the clear for my package. During the Baseball season I watched WTBS a lot for Braves games that were blacked out on the TBS network
feed.
The 148 satellite originally came in to play when Dish Network was ordered by the FCC to supply customers receiving local channel packages ALL of the
channels for that area rather than just the major ones. For Los Angeles, they didn't have enough space on 119 for those additional independents so
they placed them on 148 and (free of charge) installed an additional reflector to acquire those channels. MOST of those channels have since been
migrated to the 119 slot, leaving only a few (mostly Spanish Language) independents still on 148. In the past, I have set up a number of people south
of the border who had an L.A. address with a 148 setup.
It is incorrect to say that the majority of channels you might want are on 119. When I changed to Dish 150, it was necessary to acquire 110 to gain
quite a few of the available channels inc 121,133, 329, 330, 341, 342, 343, 345, 346, 347 and others.
[Edited on 4-17-2006 by MrBillM]
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Speaking of DVRs
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Dish DVRs now that they lost their first round in the lawsuit by TIVO for patent infringement.
Although Dish claims that they will win on appeal, nobody really believes that. I imagine the result will simply be that they will have to negotiate
with TIVO for a settlement.
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Help is there someone willing to come to Todos Santos to help Chuck get his directv working again ie.. More channels
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Help is there someone willing to come to Todos Santos to help Chuck get his directv working again ie.. More channels |
Well, I'm in Todos Santos but I don't think anyone is going to be able to help him get his DirecTV channels back. My customers are
all switching to Dish Network for the reasons described above and elsewhere on this Forum.
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Not to argue with all the great logic here, but here is a picture of a 1.2 meter dish near Santa Rosalia with two dual LNB's installed. This system
is pointed to and receiving tons of channels from Dish Network on the 119 and the 110 satellites.
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Hi losfrailes,
I think you're a little more in the hot spot up there for Dish Network than we are down here. Any dropouts in the early morning on any channels? Are
you using a Dish Network receiver or... 
What are your TP readings on the 1.2 for both sats? I can give you mine for 119? only on an offset Andrew 1.2 (no dual setup-1 LNB prime focus only):
01 - 0
02 - 65
03 - 0
04 - 62
05 - 0
06 - 61
07 - 67
08 - 63
09 - 0
10 - 60
11 - 58
12 - 62
13 - 55
14 - 59
15 - 54
16 - 61
17 - 52
18 - 59
19 - 53
20 - 57
21 - 52
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Oversize Universal Antennas
Check out this site both for general info AND for a variety of antenna setups: http://www.global-cm.net/multifeedsys.html
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DirecTV Channels Moved
The satellite in question is DirecTV 8 launched in May 2005 into the 101 deg west slot along with DirecTV 1R, DirecTV 2 and DirecTV 4S. It was
placed in service beginning in the Fall of 2005.
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