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RIP PRI
WOW!
I watched the PAN's lead shrink from 5 points to under 2 in less than 45 minutes. The last projection had Calderon winning by less than .275!
Just now the I.F.E president said it's too close to call and we won't know until Wednesday.
The one thing we do know is that the PRI died today.
RIP P-nche pendejos! 
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haha i should hope so...i mean after 70 years in power they should rest in peace!!!
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Well established si............. going away completely..............no.
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mmm not gone but not in absolute power either...i wonder who will continue in the line of presidents....who is you favorite??
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Now they have truly earned the title dinosaurs. Not totally gone but so close.
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Good riddance...
But what I can't understand is why the Greens would want to ally themselves with this rotting corpse. What, nobody else would have them?
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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I wondered about that too. Maybe Green has a different meaning here? What do they stand for?
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See this thread about the Green Party and a 2 million dollar bribe.
http://www.mexidata.info/id143.html
Basically, It looks like the Greenboy dropped PAN when he didn't get his way and went over to PRI.
[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Baja Bernie]
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hmm well the greens stand for 'youth and ecology" witch is in my oipnion not true...they had never been heard of or been heard of very little before
last elections...when they did not have alliance with anyone but i think that they got with PRI because it is one of the most popular and famous
parties and they thought that they could get some where with them???? i dunno maybe...jsut a thought..or maybe PRI bought their idea because there
ideas were good....just they didn't have enought publicity
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Of course! Thanks Bernie. Now it's perfectly clear. An alliance between two gangs of thieves makes perfect sense! DOH!! I'm ashamed of myself for
judging a book by its cover if only in passing interest. I guess you can't copywrite a primary color, but I wonder if the European Green Party knows
that the Mexican one is a completely phony front? Well, they could be one too, for all I know.
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The PRI is not dead, only the group of the dinosaurs will now go into a long long sleep. Hopefully the newer generations and the good people of the
PRI will take over and offer something worthwhile in the next elections. Mexico needs the PRI, we need some of its good people, but we need to finally
get rid of that old stale old guard of the PRI that will perhaps realize its time has passed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The PRI is not dead, only the group of the dinosaurs will now go into a long long sleep. Hopefully the newer generations and the good people of the
PRI will take over and offer something worthwhile in the next elections. Mexico needs the PRI, we need some of its good people, but we need to finally
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The PRI did a
lot of good for Mexico thru Lopez Mateos term. Then the internationalists once again hijacked Mexico. If you care about Mexico go to the library;read
old books and you might be able to sort out what is real as opposed to revisionist history.
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well i don't knowabout good...i mean there were a few good presidents but they didn't all do good for mexico...if they did we would not be going
through any of the crisis we are now...
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Closer to home, a NY Times map showed which won by state and showed Baja California going to Calderon and Baja California Sur going to Obregon.
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Those that voted for Obrador weren't voting political ideology. They voted because they are dirt poor.
The reason that the election is razor close is because Mexico has democratized its voting process.
Obrador claims he has the votes. I believe that he does. I expect the I.F.E. will declare him the winner.
Then the fun begins. 
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Center for Latin American and Border Studies
July 4, 2006
Political News--Frontera NorteSur (FNS): on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico
Will the Courts Decide Mexico's Presidential Election?
Lodged in a trailing but tight race with arch-rival Felipe
Calderon, Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel
Lopez Obrador says he will ask the Federal Electoral
Commission (IFE) for a careful, vote-by-vote count of the
July 2 balloting when the formal tally commences on
Wednesday, July 5. Mexico's legal election overseer has
not yet officially named a winner, but nearly-complete
preliminary results from last Sunday's election purport
that Calderon holds a one percentage-point lead over Lopez
Obrador-a difference of about 400,000 votes.
"All the (exit) polls I knew of yesterday were in favor of
us," said Lopez Obrador in an interview on Mexican
television. While not openly labeling the
election fraudulent, Lopez Obrador said an initial rapid
count that gave Calderon a 7-point lead but then steadily
diminished raises serious questions that need to be
clarified.
"If we lost the election, I will recognize it," Lopez
Obrador said on national television. Responding to Lopez
Obrador's contentions, Cesar Nava Vazquez, the spokesman
for Calderon's conservative National Action Party (PAN),
urged the former Mexico City mayor to throw in the towel
and call it quits. "In a democracy, you win by one vote,
not to mention more than 400,000 votes," Nava said.
According to the IFE, 59 percent of Mexico's registered
voters turned out to vote last Sunday, but Lopez Obrador
spokesman Horacio Duarte contends the rate of
participation was far less-54 percent. "We have two
hypotheses: someone is adding votes or someone is missing
them," said Duarte on CNN's Spanish language channel. IFE
President Luis Carlos Ugalde later confirmed that 3
million votes were not included in the preliminary totals
because of questions about the ballots' veracity.
Coming in the aftermath of Mexico's elimination from the
World Soccer Cup, the presidential election was the second
major event to jolt the nation in recent days. Mexicans
were stunned early in the evening of July 2 when IFE
President Luis Carlos Ugalde failed to announce a leading
presidential vote-getter based on the rapid count.
According to the Mexico's chief election official, a
committee of 5 "scientists" from the national university
determined that conditions did not exist to make a
statement.
"The IFE has done a very professional job," Ugalde
countered, "and what's happened is that the voters have
decided to vote the way they have and there is a tie."
Headlined "Tie," an extra edition of Mexico City's El
Universal daily hit the streets within hours. The July 3
edition of the Excelsior daily was simply
headlined: "Who?" Comparisons to the 2000 Bush-Gore
deadlock in Florida were quickly heard.
Contrary to earlier appeals from the IFE that urged the
candidates to not make premature statements, both Calderon
and Lopez Obrador were proclaiming themselves the winners
by the late in the evening of July 2. Exercising prudence,
the Calderon campaign kept a leash on its supporters and
an expected victory celebration at Mexico City's Angel of
Independence Monument did not materialize. However,
thousands of Lopez Obrador supporters sped through Mexico
City's streets honking their horns and braving the cold
drizzle that dampened the night to celebrate in the
capital city's Zocalo.
At first, news of the election toss-up unbalanced the
financial world. The peso immediately dropped in value,
but recovered on July 3 along with the Mexican stock
market. Boosted by news of Calderon's continuing lead,
Monday's stock market registered its second biggest gain
of 2006.
In contrast to the presidential race, clear winners
emerged in the federal congressional election. The big
loser was the former ruling Institutional Party of the
Revolution (PRI), which fell to third place. Calderon's
National Action Party (PAN) became the "first minority"
force in the new congress, followed by the three parties
making up Lopez Obrador's For the Good of All coalition.
Two smaller parties, the New Alliance Party (PANAL) and
the Alternative Social Democrat and Farmers Party led by
feminist Patricia Mercado, apparently attracted enough
votes to maintain their registrations and win
representation in the congress. "We were the biggest
surprise of the federal elections," said Roberto Campa,
the PANAL's gleeful presidential candidate
The tightness of the presidential race supports the notion
that every count counts, but many votes that were cast in
last Sunday's election will not be counted. Posted late on
July 3, the preliminary results reported that more than
800,000 ballots were annulled. Mexican election law
permits ballots to be tossed out if a voter sloppily marks
a space or commits another mistake that raises doubts
about the intention of vote. The initial percentage of
discarded ballots on July 2 was slightly more than two
percent of the total votes cast, a figure similar to
previous elections, according to the IFE.
Another serious, recurring problem cropped up on July 2:
Many people who tried to vote simply could not. As in past
elections, the IFE set up more than 800 special voting
precincts for people who were away from home. Despite a
growing population and an increased mobility in Mexico,
Mexican law has limited each special precinct to 750
ballots in order to guard against fraud. Press dispatches
from geographic zones scattered throughout Mexico reported
thousands of people were unable to vote at the special
precincts because the ballots ran out, usually by early
afternoon.
In Mexico City, a long line made up of people from Oaxaca,
Chihuahua, Tamaulipas, Sonora, Durango, Veracruz, and
other states snaked around a full city block in front of
the Zocalo, where special precincts were installed.
Interviewed by Frontera NorteSur, several people reported
waiting several hours to cast their votes; others claimed
they were being turned away.
Mexico City resident Maria Refugio Diaz said that election
officials suggested sher try the special precincts because
her name did not appear on the voter list in her regular
precinct, though she had obtained a voter identification
card one year earlier. "My vote doesn't count," Refugio
complained.
Saying he rose bright and early, Luis Gerardo Espinoza
Escalante wasn't impressed with the gripes. "I wouldn't
like these elections in Mexico to be seen abroad as
turbulent," Espinosa told Frontera NorteSur. "I came early
and cast my vote...the people who are lazy and don't wake
up early can't vote because this is a special precinct and
they will have the bad luck that the ballots run out."
As Zapatista Sub-Comandante Marcos puffed away on his
trademark pipe during an anti-election rally
simultaneously underway in the Zocalo, tension and shouts
erupted across the street in front of the special
precints. "Defrauded!" protested a chorus of hopeful
voters as speeches blasting the election and the police
attack on residents of San Salvador Atenco last May
drifted over the crowd from the sound system in the
Zocalo.
In the next act, the IFE is expected to declare a
presidential election winner sometime later this week. If
the declared victor is Calderon as expected, analysts like
Daniel Tacher, a representative of the non-governmental
organization Civic Alliance, anticipate that the Lopez
Obrador camp will take matters one step further and
legally challenge the election in court. In Mexico, the
legal authority with the final say-so is the Federal
Election Tribunal. According to Tacher, the tribunal would
then have until early September to render a decision on
who will be Mexico's next president.
Additional sources: El Universal, July 2 and 3, 2006.
Univision/Unicable, Televisa, July 2, 3 and 4, 2006. TV
Azteca, July 2, 2006. Excelsior, July 3, 2006. La Jornada,
July 3, 2006. Articles by Fabiola Martinez, Alonso
Urrutia, Jesus Aranda, Elizabeth Velsaco C., Matile Perez,
and editorial staff. CNN en Espa?ol, July 3, 2006.
Frontera NorteSur (FNS): on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
According to the IFE, 59 percent of Mexico's registered
voters turned out to vote last Sunday, but Lopez Obrador
spokesman Horacio Duarte contends the rate of
participation was far less-54 percent.
Yeah, when I heard 59% I figured no way. Even 54% sounds too high.
IFE President Luis Carlos Ugalde later confirmed that 3
million votes were not included in the preliminary totals
because of questions about the ballots' veracity.
Questionable ballots are excluded at the precinct level, in full view of representatives of all the political parties. If there's hanky panky, I'd
sure like to know how they're doing it. I firmly believe that Ugalde and the I.F.E. are beyond reproach.
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I still believe that Obrador has the votes.
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You are most right---None of the Mexican politicians have done much of anything for the masses---they were far to busy helping people of their own
class to increase the dollars in their holding which included almost everything in Mexico. Looking at it long term Card##as didn't help Mexico to
become a first class country when he seized the oil company's and the railroads.
About the only thing the pols did was increase the number of pesos floating around and decrease their value almost every time a president left office.
Fox was the only modern exception to this rule--at least that I know of.
The history of Mexico is more interesting to me than my own.
Are you really 'only' a teenager?
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my poin exactly...see...PAN has done a good job...that's why i for one want to give them another chance to help...and well as i already said it's not
like they can fix all the problems in mexico in only 6 years...it is imposible...but little by little it can be done...God knows mexico has everything
that could be wanted for a rich country...diversity in every posible way, tradition, culture, etcetc...i mean it deserves a chance to shine...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
According to the IFE, 59 percent of Mexico's registered
voters turned out to vote last Sunday, but Lopez Obrador
spokesman Horacio Duarte contends the rate of
participation was far less-54 percent.
Yeah, when I heard 59% I figured no way. Even 54% sounds too high.
IFE President Luis Carlos Ugalde later confirmed that 3
million votes were not included in the preliminary totals
because of questions about the ballots' veracity.
Questionable ballots are excluded at the precinct level, in full view of representatives of all the political parties. If there's hanky panky, I'd
sure like to know how they're doing it. I firmly believe that Ugalde and the I.F.E. are beyond reproach.
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He does not Dave, all Lopez Obrador has is Mexico City, and not much more.
Even the poor are turned off by him.
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