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CaboMagic
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Dear Doug & Fellow Amigos/Amigas
I respectfully request that you PLEASE remove BillM 's posts that are completely disrespectful and outrageously offensive.
I dont care if he starts his own threads and plays with himself all day long, but he has no respect for the living or the departed.
Thank you, Lori
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CaboMagic
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The ones on the BajaNews thread where BillM showed utter disrespect for Elizabeth whose husband Roger passed away.
I can choose to open or not open any thread started by anyone - in this case BillM ..
I can choose to read or not read any posts written by anyone on these public forums.
In my opinion, the poor taste of posting on the condolence thread is one that I would hack if given the ability too - out of respect for the living
and the departed.
[Edited on 7-24-2006 by CaboMagic]
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djh
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YES!
Yes, delete those disrespectful, judgemental, and totally inappropriate comments.
I kindly asked the individual poster to consider deleting his inappropriate comment - a simple, sincere, and fair request, and he not only didn't
delete his comment, he added two additional judgemental, accusatory, insensitive, and disrespectful posts.
Freedoms necessarily require responsibilities. MOST true conservatives - as the poster claims to be, believe that, and behave accordingly. When the
"freedom" is not accompanied by responsibility, and it turns into harm to others, then it is time for the community to respond.
I agree that deleting those intentionally judgemental, disrespectful, and hurtful comments is the "RIGHT" thing to do.
Thank you CaboMagic for raising the question. I know you are very selective about which matters you choose to engage in here - you and I discussed
that recently - and your concern and request is respectful, appropriate, and compassionate to a fellow Nomad who was deliberately kicked while down,
and suffering from life's greatest loss.
Your thought, Doug?
djh.
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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vgabndo
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Very briefly...
The Off Topic forum is the place for MrBill. It has become a cesspool over there. His disprespect for Elizabeth was fairly mild when compared with a
lot of his stuff Off Topic.
I've sworn off.
I've signed up with OTA (Off Topic Anonimous) I think I have three days on the wagon. I hope I can get by without detox.
I think the comments in this thread indicate that there must be rules of behavior on the main Baja forum. I believed there already were. I was
BLASTED by Bill and his pals when I suggested that on the Off Topic Forum.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Sharksbaja
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SHOCKING!  NOT!
Many of us have experienced the same thrill-ride and arrived at the same place.....aqui!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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bajamigo
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When I requested that the offending thread be removed, I was not suggesting any form of censorship. If someone who lacks basic intelligence and
sensitivity wants to air his thoughts, fine, that's why I served in the Air Force. But the thread under discussion has taken on the characteristics of
fish that's been left in the fridge too long. Somebody put it there, we all saw it, we all had a chance to react to it. Now let's toss it out.
As far as censorship is concerned, I only wish that the offensive poster had exercised a polite degree of self-censorship.
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CaboMagic
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Perhaps like spraying retardant to stop a fire or putting ointment on a rash?
Out of respect to Elizabeth and her family and to Roger I say remove the posts so that others who have not yet seen it dont have to endure that
manure.
I dont know Elizabeth or her family - We all know the pain of losing a loved one.
We all have, and are freely entitiled to have, different definitions for that which brings us happiness and fullfillment of our own lives and are free
to express ourselves thus. This is one I choose to take a stand on.
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Sharksbaja
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Amigo de Baja
Larry is right. We've seen threads get all torn up and ruined through selective censorship. While the thread is an abomination, at this point it would
be unwise to do anything with it. I just hope that all the Nomads read this one and learn something important from it. Comprende?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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elizabeth
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I am in no way suggesting that it should be my decision to delete or not delete messages, but I thought I'd like to comment even though I do not have
an answer.
The damage has already been done. To remove the offensive posts renders the responses to them meaningless. The only solution would be to remove the
entire thread, but then the posts that were positive and meaningful to me would be removed as well. Some posts contained both outrage and sympathy,
and cannot easily be edited. I don't think there is an easy or a good solution.
Ideally, I would have liked to be able to print out the entire thread to place in the book I'm creating for our young grandson, who has been visiting
Loreto with us since he was 4 1/2 months old, and who is only 26 months old now, and too young to remember how special his relationship was with his
Tata. Instead I have selectively saved...
The larger issue of how to deal with toxic individuals is, as some have suggested, answered by simply ignoring them. Those few people can endlessly
respond to each other without the rest of us feeding them.
What I have learned from this Nomad experience is that the vast majority of you are kind, thoughtful and caring individuals. I treasure your
expressions of concern.
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Sharksbaja
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You, my dear lady friend are brave and strong. Thanks for the important feedback. Cork
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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djh
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Bless you Elizabeth, and your grace and dignity. And your ability to navigate your way through such a difficult time.
I hope Shing and I meet you in person one day in Loreto. You know our place !
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
I don't think there is an easy or a good solution.
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I agree with Elizabeth's assessment. As the saying goes, perfection is the enemy of the good. And good on you, Elizabeth, for the character and
resolve you've shown this community. It's a lesson each of us should take to heart (those of us that have one, anyway .)
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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Stickers
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I am new to this wonderful Baja forum and must admit that I have misinterpreted posts from some of its members. I have mistakenly thought that
certain posters were tongue-in-check and just goofing with off color humor and fell into their rut. I now see that these posts are in fact intended
to spew nonsense and hate. It is also clear that this venom can destroy the wonderful mood that has developed among the folks who live and play in
Baja. I feel that for Doug to "host" this type diatribe is ridiculous.
Innocent teenagers like Serena (Serinita) reads every post on this board while someone is advocating killing half of all Americans because he
disagrees with them.
Loosing members like Shari and her daughter form this forum would be a great loss to the Nomads. They represent a kinda new-age Baja family and that
is truly exciting.
I am also conservative, but waving flags and screaming free speech is for cowards and clan members.
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CaboMagic
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Elizabeth I admire your strength and learn from your dignity ..
Larry I now do see your point and respectfully thank you for providing me the opportunity to see in a much grander picture .. I dont ever want to
wish I did not say these words.
Sending kind regards and best wishes to all who welcome them ... Lori
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bajamigo
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Elizabeth, you are the quintessential class act. I hope my wife and I have the great good fortune to meet you some day.
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JESSE
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Lets see, Mrbill spends his time insulting everybody around, and i post one single response hinting he should be sacked, and my response gets
deleted???
Whats going on??
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DanO
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I had a post deleted on that thread too, which was also somewhat critical (and used some asterisked profanity ), but also noted my condolences for Elizabeth's loss. She has directly expressed her gratitude for all of our
positive thoughts, and that's enough for me. I don't need to see my message up there again to know that it got across.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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beercan
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Well, I can see the Holier than thou crowd is
alive and kicking .
I was taught by my Dad to respect the living when they deserved it !!It was too late to go to the funeral and say "nice "about them. They couldn't
hear you then.
Larry is the only one who "gets it ' !!!!!!!Mr Bill said what he believe and feels. If you can't take it or don't like it ---remember that the next
time you open you mouth to speak.
Someone is gonna be in your face to censure you !! No matter what you say, someone is going to disagree and ask that you be shut up
REMEMBER THAT-----How nice the feeling !!
Stinson Beach, yea I remember it -I know the family that owned the original old hotel there . Doesn't make me an expert to tell Bill to shut up.
Finally, any death usually touches many and causes grief--I know, I've lost many of my family , but words from people don't really help me !!!
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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Mike Humfreville
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Deleting a posters comments is always a tough call I would guess. mrBillM fatmouthed to me on Fred?s board for a short story I?d posted. I chose to
ignore him. And I quit ever opening any pots of his. I made the gross assumption he was simply a sick puppy.
My personal belief, while I quite often don?t succeed at it, is to merge with others I respect and find ways to fit and be helpful and productive. We
are all here to get along and so many of us aim for this objective. But there will always be people out there who derive their self worth from
putting others down. You just have to feel sorry for and ignore them.
I have read many posts made by Lori and respect her as a supporter in general rather than a taker. Regardless of whatever consensus we may form and
of Doug?s decision I just wish all of our membership would learn that criticism is only necessary occasionally.
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DanO
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The issue of post removal/modification is such a recurring theme here that I thought I'd locate one of my more recent posts on the subject, this one
from a thread relating to a dustup involving (who else?) JR:
| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
Sigh.
I've addressed this sort of request several times in the past. Maybe what we have here, as the warden in Cool Hand Luke would say, is a failure to
communicate.
Let me try it another way. The discourse on this board doesn't need a rule that permits only "nice" posts. Such imposed restraints will not be
heeded by posters, because it is a fundamental aspect of human nature that we do NOT follow rules. Jesus, if we all followed what most people view as
the commonly accepted parameters for appropriate behavior, we and this board probably wouldn't exist! These people think you're certifiably insane
when they learn that you love spending time in (or, worse yet, are moving to or already living in) a country that in their view is lawless and
corrupt, unsanitary and uncivilized, and just generally dangerous.
You start imposing rules like theirs, you get on the slippery slope and it's just a matter of time before you start thinking like them and saying crap
like "How can you eat the street food down there? Don't they all cook everything in trash cans?" (My response is: "That's why I always demand to
see what they're cooking in. If they don't use a trash can, I'll go somewhere that does.")
Or how about this one: "What if you get sick or injured, aren't the medical facilities down there just totally primitive? (Response: "Absolutely,
but I've got a contingency plan. Since I can't afford to call a stateside jet copter to come and get me if I have a heart attack, I'll drive for
hours to get to San Diego, if I live that long. Or hey, I could avoid the drive altogether and just kill myself on the spot by swallowing my
tongue!")
Simply put, a rule requiring us all to be nice would be unenforceable and would encourage precisely the sort of narrow-minded and cloistered thinking
that I, for one, find totally unacceptable. I'm betting I'm not alone. |
Hose A assured me I was not alone, so there are at least two of us that think this is the right approach.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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