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Palm Trees?
I would like to plant some palm trees at my place in northern baja. What kind have you had success with?
I'm thinking Queen palms. Does anyone know a good(cheap) place to buy them?
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It depends on where in northern Baja you want to plant them.
Queen Palms (Syagrus romanzoffiana) do not do well in areas with hot dry summers like Tecate, Mexicali, and San Felipe. They will survive but their
fronds will sunburn and look brown for at least 4 to 6 months a year. However, they do fine all year in the cool summer areas along the Pacific Coast
of Baja all the way up to Tijuana.
Other possible selections for anywhere in northern Baja are the Mexican Fan Palm (Washingtonia robusta) and California Fan Palm (Washingtonia
filifera). Both of these look good all year.
I have seen all of these palms sold at various nurseries in northern Baja. They usually sell them by the foot of height. As I recall, the Mexican
Fan Palms in San Felipe were around $10 to $15 USD per foot including delivery. This is about a quarter of what they would cost in California or
Arizona.
[Edited on 9-5-2006 by oxxo]
[Edited on 9-5-2006 by oxxo]
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Okay, I guess I should have been more specific. My place is in San Quintin so pacific coast species is what I'm looking for. I've noticed a palm
nursury near TJ. Has anyone ever bought from them?
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im buying mine in tecate south of town, lots of nurserys there. allso easy ride to san miguel on south.
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Try the vivero right next to the highway near Cantamar (you need to get off the toll road at Cantamar and then take the free road over the hill to get
to it. Lots of cool stuff and the guy is very knowledgeable.
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Any of the date palms would probably do well, as they are suited to desert environments
Phoenix dactylifera - the true date palm.
Phoenix canariensis - Canary Island Date Palm. These get huge.
Phoenix sylvester - Toddy Palm is very similar to the Canary Island Palm in size and appearance.
Phoenix roebelenii - Pygmy Date Palm are small and slow growing with usually a max height of 8 feet.
Phoenix reclinata - Senegal Date Palm. Usually grows in a group, and is one of my favorite date palms.
Some of my other favorite palms are the Triangle Palm (Neodyspis spp.). the Jelly palm (Butia capitata ) and the Mexican Blue palm
(Brahea armata ) ? Or any of the others in the Brahea genus. However, most Braheas are a very slow growers, and large
specimens would be quite expensive. All these can be grown along the coast in So Cal, but I do not know about coastal Baja, worth looking into
though.....
[Edited on 9-5-2006 by Taco de Baja]
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>Phoenix dactylifera - the true date palm.
Does not do well in high humidity areas, such as along the Pacific coast. Good for hot inland areas. The hotter the summer, the better the date
production. Subject to a lot of diseases.
>Phoenix canariensis - Canary Island Date Palm. These get >huge.
Hard to find in Mexican nurseries. Slow growing, therefore very expensive.
>\Phoenix sylvester - Toddy Palm is very similar to the >Canary Island Palm in size and appearance.
Hard to find in mexican nurseries.
>Phoenix roebelenii - Pygmy Date Palm are small and slow >growing with usually a max height of 8 feet.
Good selection for very small palm. Subject to sunburn in hot summer areas. Same general climatic preferences as Queen palms. Mine grow about 2
feet a year, but I baby them.
>Phoenix reclinata - Senegal Date Palm. Usually grows in a >group, and is one of my favorite date palms.
Beautiful palm. Does best in tropical climates (higher humidity)
>Some of my other favorite palms are the Triangle Palm (Neodyspis spp.). the Jelly palm (Butia capitata ) and the Mexican Blue palm (Brahea armata
) ? Or any of the others in the Brahea genus.
Can be difficult to find in Mexican nurseries and they are expensive.
>All these can be grown along the coast in So Cal,
Well yes and no. You can get almost anything to grow along the coast in SoCal. But some of these just don't do well (thrive) in that area.
Another possibility is the Coconut Palm (Cocos nucifera), but they do best in the tropical regions of Los Cabos.
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Fishbuck...
Here is more info on palms plus cold hardiness charts that you will ever need..plus links to anything and everything about palms and cycads.
http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/photos/vpe_photos.htm
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Hurricane palms
I am sold on em. I will plant more to protect our home. They withstood the battering and helped defend homes in the flood.
In my opinion, they are all GOOD!
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Oxxo, Palm trees
Oxxo, I know of a FEMSA convenience store chain in Mexico known as OXXO. Any connection to you?
A great palm for Baja California and Sonora and Arizona/California is the Brahea brandegeeii (elegans is a synonym) sometimes called the San Jose
Hesper Palm common to the mountains of Cape Region above CSL.
But it has recently been documented in the Sierra de San Francisco (Cave Paintings- pinturas ruspestres area north of San Ignacio, BCS) and can be
found near Guaymas, Sonora and scattered in the foothils of Sonora to within about 70 miles of the Arizona border SE of Magdalena. This palm is more
green usually in its southern range and can be quite blue in its northern lattitudes...
Another nice greenish palm from the Magdalena Palm Canyon (Sonora)and other parts of Mexico that can do well as a patio ornamental is the Brahea
nitida - no teeth on the petioles-
nitida is called baviso by some old time campesinos in Sonora.
Brahea armata (the large blue palm, sometimes called ROCK PALM) is extremely tough and well suited to arid desert conditions with some ground water .
It is better plant local palms especially Baja Peninsula material, imho...
Steve in Oro Valley
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by Steve in Oro Valley]
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This isn't Steve from Three Arch Bay in Laguna is it?
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Brahea dulcis
Brahea dulcis is known as the rock palm...
looks like armata but different.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cincodemayo
This isn't Steve from Three Arch Bay in Laguna is it? |
Hmmm another Steve who grew up up in TAB. The Steve I know now lives in Oregon and did not go to Baja this year  .
TAB, what a great place to grow up in.
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Cinco de Mayo:
No... This is Steve in Oro Valley about 10 mi north of downtown Tucson.
By the way, It is interesting that man-made improvements are devastated by hurricanes or war events (ie: Lebanon) but often the only thing left
afterwards familiar and recognizable are palms..
Notice that California and Mexican Palms are the favorite palm of Beirut, Bagdad and other mediterranean locations.
The Mexican Fan palm (Washingtonia robusta) was originally from the Guaymas, Sonora area and the orginal huge groves were replaced by development....
They're all gone! The Mexican fan palms that are growing in Guaymas yards and along the streets today were nursery grown just like the millions
worldwide!
Steve in Oro Valley
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Steve...Washingtonias are the most prolific things on earth! I've seen them germinate in Palm Springs with NO water in sidewalks....I took a mature
inforescence with 15,000 seed, ONE of 20 off a filifera and germinated 20 full flats that looked like grass! Amazing what palms will do. I collected
seed from a Pritchardia in Maui last year and now have about 500- 2 inch seedlings not to mention about 20,000 Trachycarpus seedlings coming up here
in the Pacific Northwest. The Trachs are about the only sure fire cold hardy palm up here besides Sabal, Chamerops, Rapidophyllum, and Washingtonia.
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Taco...When there were swells we'd go down to TAB and get some killer bodysurfing waves by the arch. Ahhhh those were the days. Just as good in
Lagunita by Blue Lagoon too.
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since i have a lot of ppl on here that know about palm
question; has anyone ever made wine or liquer from dates?? any recepes
jerry and judi
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Jerry....Haven't heard of wine but definitely jelly preserves from Butia capitata. I used to collect seed from Butias at Huntington Gardens in San
Marino....very mature ones planted in the teens from Henry Huntington. Just a magnificent palm collection almost a hundred years old and being a
member of the Palm Society you could get in before opening to the public and collect with no people around...That was an awesome time. If anyone has
the opportunity to go there they have an incredible cycad collection also.
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Jerry.....here ya go amigo. Jubea chiliensis
http://www.botgard.ucla.edu/html/MEMBGNewsletter/Volume5numb...
There are bunches of them planted just off the 5 freeway in San Diego in the Mission Bay area....they look like giant pineapples...extremely slow
growing and expect them to seed in about 50 years or so!
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by Cincodemayo]
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>Originally posted by Steve in Oro Valley
Oxxo, I know of a FEMSA convenience store chain in Mexico known as OXXO. Any connection to you?
No, no connection, I just like the name and the logo graphics. As soon as I can figure out how to do avitars, I will download a picture of the OXXO
sign for my avitar. Wife and I call the stores "hugs and kisses." I was going to name the boat OXXO but wife said no way!
>It is better plant local palms especially Baja Peninsula material, imho...
The Brahea palms and most of the native palms you cite are difficult to find in a typical Mexican viviero (nursery) That is why I was only
recommending those that can be found easily.
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by oxxo]
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