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MrBillM
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Build That Fence !
A poll taken in Mexico found that 70 percent of the population said they would move to the U.S. if it were possible.
I guess we know what an "Open Borders" policy as championed by Felipe Calderon would do to the U.S.
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DENNIS
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I wonder who took that poll, Bill. Do you know? The figure doesn't seem realistic if a well-rounded segment of society was polled. Maybe it's
seventy percent of that part of the population which is forced to eat rocks and twigs. That, I would understand.
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Don Alley
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A poll taken throughout the state of Montana last January and February showed that 75% would move to Mexico if they could. 
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DENNIS
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I think they would do that just to distance themselves from Dick-Cabeza Cheney.
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Al G
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Of what I have seen, and do not profess to being an expert, Mexico controls their border very well. If I were in Mexico illegally, how long would I
last, how severally would I be punished? If I were caught working for cash and not supporting the Mexican Government, what would happen to me? If I
committed crimes in Mexico and ran back to US, what would happen to me?
I am in favor of supporting the Mexican Government and hiring Mexicano workers at all levels if we have equal rights as Mexico. That will never happen
if people on both sides are not documented..period. There is no other answer. If you think there is, please explain very clearly, and carefully. I
think a 700 mile fence is a joke, when we need 2000 miles and 40 feet high and 40 feet deep. Let us create a new industry and all the new taxes form
the workers will more then pay for it. Not to mention fair working conditions for the Mexicano. This fence will cost big business and save the tax
payer from subsidizing big business.
Small Potato
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Summanus
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I say...."Al G for Speaker of the House!"...fire Nancy.
another opinion.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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comitan
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Great idea Al, 40ft wide, that would make a great 4lane freeway the length of the border just need pullouts for rest stops, Burger King Mc.D. KFC, and
if we charge a toll it would pay for itself in 50 years. THE GREAT WALL OF THE AMERICAS.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
A poll taken in Mexico found that 70 percent of the population said they would move to the U.S. if it were possible.
I guess we know what an "Open Borders" policy as championed by Felipe Calderon would do to the U.S. |
Don't forget another poll shows that 68%, or so, of Mexicans believe that the American Southwest really belongs to Mexico, and that the U. S. stole it
from them. 
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Summanus
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The Fence is being built..and creates jobs.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Great idea Al, 40ft wide, that would make a great 4lane freeway the length of the border just need pullouts for rest stops, Burger King Mc.D. KFC, and
if we charge a toll it would pay for itself in 50 years. THE GREAT WALL OF THE AMERICAS. |
Sorry I meant "High", but to funny, because it is about the same as Deep meant to be underground.
Ya know, the real answer is a $100,000.00 per incident fine for hiring an illegal. Again on the back and in the face of big business.
[Edited on 11-9-2006 by Al G]
Albert G
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jerry
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ill never understand why so many people are so against big busness??
with out it there would be a lot of little people out of work
a sub-standered living
people make big busness because there standered of living is higher
big busness is fed with the wants of people
so shoot your self in the foot
its like lets fight poverty get a gun and shoot the poor people
jerry and judi
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comitan
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Jerry
Just making big business follow the law is not bad business or shooting yourself in the leg, It would be helping solve the immigration problem.
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Jerry wrote "ill never understand why so many people are so against big busness??" and I think it is a good question. I have some ideas I would like
to share on this topic.
The inherent flaw of Capitalism is that wealth accrues to a few. It is a pyramid scheme or monopoly game in which eventually a few people accrue all
of the resources and then the people on the bottom rise up and overthrow the system. There are many examples in History, including in the USA. See the
history in the USA and "free boot capitalists" called Robber Barons and the history of Trusts. They nearly destroyed the country with their schemes.
Their machinations eventually led to the Great Depression. Look at China pre Communist Revolution; they were the best Capitalists in history till the
bottom had nothing and therefore nothing to lose in overthrowing the government. The list goes on.
The inherent flaw of Socialism or Communism is that the basic needs of people are supplied as a right and thus there is a disincentive to production
and creativity. Central planning schemes usually fail because they are not in touch with local issues and there is disincentive for both creativity
and generativity. See the history of the Soviet Union as an example of the failure of centralized planning.
All economic systems need to find ways to effectively re-distribute wealth or the society becomes unstable. We see this dynamic tension on an ongoing
basis throughout the world and throughout history.
It is in the balance of the needs of the Capitalists or Ruling Class and the Working people that produce stability over time. It is the dynamic checks
and balances of these interests that produce stability.
Iflyfish
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Al G
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Jerry...you misunderstand me. I am all for big/small business. I am on big business side. Without it we would be a very sad group. The chore we are
charge with (read vote) is to protect the economy....Bussiness...from the left and to protect the people from out of control BIG business that will do
anything legal and immoral , as well as illegal. Hiring illegals, is both illegal and immoral in taking advantage of people without status(papers) Let
us just say I try to look at all sides of the fence, and truly at the fair/legal/moral side.
Our world is not bad, but we must try to keep it on the fair path.
[Edited on 11-10-2006 by Al G]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
I am in favor of supporting the Mexican Government and hiring Mexicano workers at all levels if we have equal rights as Mexico. That will never happen
if people on both sides are not documented..period. There is no other answer. If you think there is, please explain very clearly, and carefully. I
think a 700 mile fence is a joke, when we need 2000 miles and 40 feet high and 40 feet deep. Let us create a new industry and all the new taxes form
the workers will more then pay for it. Not to mention fair working conditions for the Mexicano. This fence will cost big business and save the tax
payer from subsidizing big business.
Small Potato |
Geeze. You need to be published. Outstanding.
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F*ck it.
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The fence is a waste of time, money and effort. If you want to stop illegals from coming in hit the people that hire them. But the problem is not so
simple. Many of the companies that hire them do so because they need the help and can't find enough workers. that's especially true for the Ag
industry. A guest worker program of some sort needs to be worked out that protects the worker and provides a work force. The Reps have had 12 years
without any results now maybe the Dems can do something. Bush signed the law to build the fence, but there isn't any money to do it and I don't thing
congress will provide any. Just another example of screwball politicians unable to get what needs to be done done.
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mtgoat666
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Big business is going to reap great rewards using undocumented workers to build the fence! Mark my words, the final cost of the fence will be
astranomical and the fence will not solve the problem -- ultimately, the fence will be an embarrassment to the republicans. I cheer the republicans
in their vain quest for self destruction.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
The fence is a waste of time, money and effort. If you want to stop illegals from coming in hit the people that hire them. But the problem is not so
simple. Many of the companies that hire them do so because they need the help and can't find enough workers. that's especially true for the Ag
industry. A guest worker program of some sort needs to be worked out that protects the worker and provides a work force. The Reps have had 12 years
without any results now maybe the Dems can do something. Bush signed the law to build the fence, but there isn't any money to do it and I don't thing
congress will provide any. Just another example of screwball politicians unable to get what needs to be done done. |
Some forget all too easily that a fence needs to be built for more reasons than to keep the poor from coming over and getting a job.
It's most important affect will be to stop people coming into the US who are not interested in getting a job at all .
You fricken people care at all that 3000 Americans were killed on 911 or do you just have a convenient memory.?
Like I said in another post , get this one built now so we can get started on the one from Vancouver to Maine
[Edited on 11-10-2006 by Bajalero]
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Bruce R Leech
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I don't think that figure is right. I think all of the Mexicans that want to be in the USA are already there. If not then what is stopping them
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jerry
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why big busness the target?? if im not mistaken small busnesses imploys more ppl then big busness
are small busnesses not hiring illagals?? just because everyone doing it dont make it right
the expence of the fence what a crock of bull
the good old usa has provided peace keeping forces for the whole world for the last 60 some yrs provide japan ,germany and a few others with all
there defence and we cant afford a freaking fence for our own boarder??
i think ppl should read and understand the history of this country insted of looking at it like intidelments that everyone simply desirves what ever
they want ( someone has to pay for it) business be it big or small imploys ppl and people pay taxes
taxes defend us
killing the golden goose will not get you where your going
jerry and judi
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