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[*] posted on 12-21-2003 at 03:21 PM
Large Sized Indigenous People


While exploring some caves with my guides, they found some very old human skeletal remains. I asked them if they were interested in showing tourists these spots. They were very adamant about the fact that these bones could be their relatives from the distant past and that for them to show me and take pictures is ok but they don't want anything changed out of respect for their dead. No tourists or scientists welcome.
Now, back to the bones. They were not painted red as I have been hearing rumours about but the natural yellow of old human bones. They showed me the color difference between animal and human bones and it was quite distinct. But, none of them were painted red.
And another very interesting factor was that an arm bone went from my elbow to almost the end of my fingers. Could this have been one of the ancients that were reputed to be the race of giants that once lived here? Pretty interesting huh ?
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[*] posted on 12-21-2003 at 03:39 PM
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We explored many caves in many areas. There was a babies skull in one as well as other remains and evidence of a major dwelling there. They are now documented in photos and will remain as they were found as was requested.
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[*] posted on 12-21-2003 at 04:06 PM
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Ski. I( agree that the cave sites you have documented in photos need to be protected. The story about the Pericu woman is interesting, and does not surprise me. Before the missions were established, pearly fishermen, privateers, and assorted other groups visited the cape region. The first missionaries in the region reported people of mixed ancestry in the native population. The next time that you visit your friend, you might have him reconstruct his geneology.
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[*] posted on 12-22-2003 at 12:47 AM


Ski Baja, if we were to remain safely on the suspicious side and consider that humerus (It doesn?t look like a radius or an ulnar.) in that photo to be non-human, what kind of animal might that have belonged to?

Ok, so I might be showing off on my newfound human bone knowledge: http://nc.essortment.com/boneshumanbody_rrqh.htm
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[*] posted on 12-22-2003 at 01:08 AM


But really Ski Baja, (Isn't it about time you became Snowboard Baja?) those photos give me that indescribable, eerie feeling of discovery. The shadows in the photography are amazing. Thank you for sharing them with us. It has been a while since I have witnessed anything quite as special as that for myself.
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[*] posted on 12-22-2003 at 09:09 AM
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Actually, I was a little suspicious myself about them being actually human bones but when they pulled out the skull I was fairly convinced by the teeth in it. But, I would love for an expert to tell me what they are. I was expecting every old bone in Baja to be painted red, these weren't.
I was considering a title change as it hasn't snowed here this year. But at my 50 years, I don't think this derrier is ready for a new sport such as the butt banger you mentioned. Although, most all of my ski buddies have made the change and love it.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 07:14 AM
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Ski. The Jesuits reported the stories of large sized people of the native peoples, particularly at San Ignacio. What you need to do is find a forensic anthropologist who might be able to identify the bones.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 08:02 AM


In Cliff Cross' Baja Calif. Guide of 30 years ago, in updated edition page 5-A:

"ONCE LAND OF GIANTS? Unusually large skeleton remains have been dug up near Rancho San Juaquin, 10 mi. south of San Ignacio... It has been estimated the man could have been 11 feet tall."
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 09:28 AM


Though a little hard to identify w/out closer inspection, my guess is the long bone held in the mans hand would be a human fibula. The distal end to his left. Thats the part on your ankle that you always whack the crap out of while stumbling thru camp at night w/out a flashlight. In the picture above (forth attachment) this (same?) bone rests on top of what looks to be a rib and is below and parallel to what appears to be a clavicle. Other remnants of the shoulder and sternum are evident in the picture. The lenght of the fibula does not look to be abnormally long to me however I would venture the person was very thin . If that was to turn out to be an ulna the person would indeed be a giant ( or at least suffer from a severe case of Marfans). Glad to see a few others interested in some physical anthropology. Hope this is of some help . Bajalero.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 10:04 AM
Thanks Lera


Is it possible that the bone could be an "Ulna" and is there a way to discern whether it's from an arm or a leg? My laymens terminology!
Because if it's an arm bone, this would be quite a find I imagine.
I'm leaving again in 2 weeks to go to some more caves. I will be putting up photos for everyone that's interested to enjoy.
And I really appreciate the knowledge you are sharing. Thank you. J.R.




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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 10:58 AM


J.R. .First of all , shortly after I registered as Bajaler-O, I discovered that there existed a Bajaler -A and have had regrets since. I'd change it if I could but swear I will not post anon since I realized all the anon antics on the board. Any how , that being said, I was giving you a professional opinion on the bones but I'll be a little more direct. There's little chance the bone in question is a human ulna. From the picture it appears to lack the distinct trochlear notch of the ulna. This is basically a cup (like if you cupped your hand) that an appropriate part of the humerus sets in . There are about 10 anatomical features to the ulna of which I have a hard time seeing any in your photograph. The bone is a perfect peg for a human fibula. Look at its length , just the right length to span from the knee to the ankle . bajaler-O
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 11:25 AM
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Double darn. And thanks, I guess the search for Wilt continues!:lol:
It's easy to change your handle if you want. Doug can do it for you or I think you can go into settings and do it yourself with his help. And thanks again "Ler-O".




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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 12:56 PM
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On one of my early Baja trips (1979 to 1982 I don?t remember which) we had diner at Oscar?s (he had the best shrimp-always was talking to the fisherman on the radio) in Puretecitous we camped on the patio. In the morning a huge man was there for coffee
Oscar said he was on of the last natives of his tribe, he was old. In my mind He was large 6,6 or 6,8 , what I remember most his hands were so large that the coffee cup seamed like a little girl tea set and his feet were so big Oscar said he couldn?t find shoes
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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 03:58 PM


Sorry Doug and everyone, I am redoing the post with a smaller photo so I can read what you have to say. I am very interested.





I was reminded tonight by Ian the Dork

of the rumours regarding the giant race of people supposedly inhabiting Baja many moons atras.
I would be most interested in a professional opinion of what this bone is. All things so far are leading to these being the bones of one of the giants.
Any bone specialists out there ?






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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 07:12 PM


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Does anybody REALLY know where they buried Wilt Chamberlin?


Wilt (according to news reports) was cremated:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba/wilt/wiltfs28.htm

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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 07:14 PM


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It's easy to change your handle if you want. Doug can do it for you or I think you can go into settings and do it yourself with his help.


Noooooooooo..... it's NOT easy to do, and no you can't change it in your settings.

Unfortunately, one needs to sign up for a new "handle" to have one.

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[*] posted on 1-9-2004 at 07:55 PM


Doug , Thanks for the update!

''He was so busy doing, I'm not surprised he had a tired heart,'' said Barbara O. Lewis, one of Chamberlain's four sisters.

She recalled Chamberlain as a 5-year-old sneaking outside at 5 a.m. in his native Philadelphia to help the men who delivered ice and milk.

When his mother asked what he was doing, Chamberlain replied, ''I'm strong, Mom, and I'm smart. I'm going to make me a lot of money one day and I can't stay in the bed. I got things I got to do.''

When I was growing up my father owned a business in Los Angeles and had tickets to ALL the pro sports. I grew up going to the Rams,Dodgers,Lakers. I was/am a basketball Jones. Wilt was the greatest. I always strived to reach the lofty goals set by Wilt, alas always knowing that the bar was set too high for a schmuck like me.

Long live Wilt! no pun intended

I'll never forget the time in 1970 when my father took me down courtside at the Laker game. Wilt walked by and I stuck out my hand and he slapped me five. He was a big dude. A few years later my father,who was 6'4", was playing a lot of volleyball at Will Rodgers State Beach and I got big enough to get in a few games. One day Wilt shows up and he ends up playing on our side. We ran the beach and it was a thrill to get a perfect set from a guy 7'1". In the next 3-4 weeks he would show up in the early AM on Sundays and it was amazing to watch. I always wanted to ask him if we could shoot some hoops back then.

That's my Wilt story.

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