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Dish Network Local Channels Package
Just before returning to Baja, I received a notice from Dish Network that, pursuant to a Federal Judge's rejection of a settlement between Dish and
the Broadcast Networks, no later than 01 December, Dish Net will be disconnecting all distant Network packages where the subscriber is receiving a
Local City Channel package. In our case, we receive L.A. and will lose our NY feeds which is a bummer since I live on NY TV time. Given the choice,
I'd give up L.A., which means nothing to me, rather than NY. Right now I'm searching towns across the U.S. where I have family or friends residing
and have NO Local Channel access. I may be "moving" my service.
Anyone else have any further info or input ?
Those who wish to protest to their Congressional Reps and Senators can go to: www.savemychannels.com (a site setup by Dish Network) to send messages to each. It's unlikely to help, but it's free and Who Knows ?
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Bill, does this have any impact on Baja Sur?
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Baja Sur
For the most part, it will affect anyone in Baja Norte or Sur who is receiving a Los Angeles or Denver Local Channel package as a result of their
"legal" address AND are receiving the NY, LA or Denver as a Distant Channel package for a $5.99 monthly charge. In my case, my
address falls within the L.A. local channel group and I also have the NY Broadcast channels. A close friend who is also in the L.A. Local area has
the Denver package.
All or, at least, the vast majority of other Local Channel packages are on spotbeam transponders so you can't receive them in Baja no matter where
your U.S. address is. The one exception for San Felipe and neighborhood is the San Diego channels. We in that area are on the cusp of the spotbeam
coverage so some people receive it and some don't. In my case, at Percebu, when I had a receiver capable of getting the SD channels, at times they
would come in fine and, at others due to atmospherics, I would receive a dialog box saying I was outside my viewing area.
Again, the chief impact will be on those in Baja or the U.S. who receive the NY or Denver as a distant network package.
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I received the letter too and it sounds like ALL 5 cities that broadcast distant network channels will be shutdown. What does the government want the
fulltime RV'ers and 18 wheelers to do for local networks then?
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This is all about the local networks protecting their advertisment revenue. They don't want people watching comercials from other parts of the
country. This is not a joke. This is true. If you have the ability to watch TV from another part of the country then they can not claim to their
advertisers that all the people in their "class B" receiving area are watching the local networks. Therefor less advertising revenue because of a
smaller potential viewing audience. Also a "class B" signal will be barely visible and will give you a headache in about 10 minutes. The local
networks are not required to send out a quality signal. The FCC does not care about you the viewer. They only care about making sure the local
networks make lots of money. Don't blame Dish (or DTV, when they have to enforce it also). Contact your congressperson.
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Viewer Rights (as in None).
Pursuant to the Telecommunications act of 1998, ANY viewer who was not in an area that could receive a Class A or Class B broadcast signal from local
networks was authorized to receive up to (2) distant channel packages. Living in Yucca Valley and not able to receive ANY such signals, I was
subscribed to the L.A. and NY packages. When ABC got into a spat with Dish Network over ESPN Classic and Family Channel pricing, ABC began to
"challenge" myriad Zip Codes under the Class A or B ruling, including mine. As a consequence, Dish removed my ABC-NY feed. At the time, after
researching extensively the applicable law and the (3) Broadcast mappings used by the FCC in determining reception, I addressed both ABC-Los Angeles
and Dish Network with that information. Their reply could be summed up as Tough. This is more of the same forced upon us by a
Single Federal Judge. To apply this ruling to those of us who live outside the L.A. Viewing area is ridiculous.
The irony in the whole advertising argument for someone living 150 miles from Los Angeles is that most of us wouldn't go into L.A. on a bet. Whenever
I travel to a major city, it's San Diego.
If, in fact, the Distant Channel packages are disconnected nationwide, it will disenfranchise many in remote communities who can't receive a Local
Channel package. I doubt that will happen (at least I hope so). In the event that those isolated communities do continue to be eligible, I am
fortunate to have a sister who lives in one such community. I guess I'll be "moving in",
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Adios to Distant Channels for ALL Dishnet Customers
I just received an e-mail from my Congressman which clarified the Echostar lawsuit regarding distant network channels.
Because the Court found that Echostar had engaged in a purposeful pattern of supplying the Distant Network Package to subscribers who were not
eligible, the court imposed the Most stringent remedy, ordering Dish Network to disconnect ALL subscribers from the
Distant Network channels, including those who are legally receiving it under Federal Law.
It was made clear that Congress will be doing Nothing during the lame-duck session to address the court order so it's ADIOS.
It looks like my Bozeman, Montana address won't work. Now I need to find an address in the New York or Atlanta area.
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Bill,
You could probably get the Canadian dish system. If you don't have their number, let me know and I'll get it to you.
Regarding a New York address, try The Ritz-Carleton. Maybe a bellman could receive the shipment and stow it for you. ? Well allrighty then!
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Addresses
No shipments needed. I have all of my equipment and I pay my bill online.
I'm busily sending relatives and friends inquiries to find out if they have any friends in those areas. I do have an ex-wife in the Atlanta area, but
that's a NO-GO for sure.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Right now I'm searching towns across the U.S. where I have family or friends residing and have NO Local Channel access. I may be
"moving" my service.
Anyone else have any further info or input ?
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I can receive DishNet as far South as El Rosario in my RV. I have the Denver networks and it's been valuable tracking weather between SoCal (where
my RV is parked) and Colorado. Especially in the Winter.
Oh well.
I have DirecTV at home and did have it in my RV. Footprint was good from Denver to about East of Laramie. DirecTV told me I would need a
separate account (a total of two accounts -- home and RV) in order to get distant (Denver) networks.
I give up. I'll probably cancel DishNet when I lose the networks.
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Looks like a lot of people will get shafted by those companies AGAIN!
Have a Baja Day
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The Shaft
It is the Arrogant Judiciary that we are getting screwed by. They could have simply come up with a financial penalty for Dish Network and forbid them
from passing the penalty on to the customers, but instead, they are punishing us along with the company.
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Adios New York TV
Well, yesterday (11-30) a.m., I woke to find that the NY Distant Channels were gone. Since it will take action by Congress to straighten out this
mess, I doubt it will be restored at any time soon. Too Bad.
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I'm going to be pi**ed if I lose my Denver Five. This sucks.
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Denver Channels
Since you're in Boulder, If the Denver channels are part of your local channel package, you'll keep them.
It's only when those are a part of a "Distant" Channel package, that they'll be disconnected as they were for a friend of mine who has the Los Angeles
local package, but had the Denver as a distant network.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Since you're in Boulder, If the Denver channels are part of your local channel package, you'll keep them.
It's only when those are a part of a "Distant" Channel package, that they'll be disconnected as they were for a friend of mine who has the Los Angeles
local package, but had the Denver as a distant network. |
So, I'd still be picking up Denver 5 from the receiver in my RV in California? DishNetwork knows my RV is parked there.
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Programming - NPS Aims To Fill DISH Net Breach (104 views)
From: 300k 2:53pm
To: John (JOHNCALLNPS) unread (1 of 7)
17904.1
JOhn, does the bulletin below mean those that are grandfathered can get distant networks now?
NPS Aims To Fill DISH Net Breach
EchoStar's loss of 800,000-plus distant net customers could become the National
Programming Service's (NPS) gain. As the court-ordered deadline loomed for the
company's DISH Network to cut off all distant network signals, NPS's Mike
Mountford struck a last-minute deal with the EchoStar CEO Charlie Ergen to
provide service for the subs left out to dry.
Under the agreement, which is similar to deals that EchoStar has with other
programming vendors, NPS would lease a transponder for $150,000 per month. In
exchange, the company would be able to sell its distant signal programming to
disenfranchised DISH customers that fit the so-called "white area" criteria.
The deal could prove a windfall for NPS which currently has 57,000 C-Band
subscribers (an enormously successful C-Band service by today's standards). In
order to receive the distant net signals, customers would have to sign up with
NPS either through the company's website (http://www.mydistantnetworks.com/) or
by phone (800.786.9677). Costs for the signals will range from $2.50/month for
one signal to $9/month for all four signals.
Potential customers would need to meet qualification criteria for the service
and NPS will handle all customer service operations. Once qualified, a DISH
customer would receive the distant networks seamlessly through their DISH
equipment.
Late Thursday both the broadcasters and DIRECTV had publicly objected to the NPS
scheme, claiming it would violate the injunction against DISH providing distant
network services. At press time, an emergency request was pending before Judge
William Dimitrouleas, who issued the original injunction.
Thanks
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From: Chris (CHRISTR) 3:29pm
To: 300k unread (2 of 7)
17904.2 in reply to 17904.1
If you were grandfathered in you should have no problem getting the networks already with your 4DTV.
--Chris
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From: Fred (W0FMS) 3:38pm
To: Chris (CHRISTR) 3:39pm (3 of 7)
17904.3 in reply to 17904.2
Is it just me or is this whole Dish/NPS thing turning into voodoo?
57K subs.. hmm.. I thought that number would never be released.
Fred
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From: Chris (CHRISTR) 3:41pm
To: Fred (W0FMS) 4:02pm (4 of 7)
17904.4 in reply to 17904.3
Yeah, I donno.... could be dangerous for NPS. But, if they fall within the law, then they're covered regardless of how much DirecTV/etc whine. Of
course, the only reason why Charlie is getting spanked by the courts is because he just ignored the law. I wonder how many of those distant network
subs would actually qualify as legal subscribers?
As for the 57k CBand subs, that's not too bad... considering that's just NPS. Supposedly there are still around 100 - 150k subs or so for CBand, NPS
has always said they had a little under half. YSP & SRL make up the rest.
--Chris
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From: Fred (W0FMS) 4:04pm
To: Chris (CHRISTR) unread (5 of 7)
17904.5 in reply to 17904.4
If NPS allows even one wrong sub, then DirecTV and CBS will put them under. (Statistically that's gotta be likely).
NPS, to me is starting to make irrational decisions. I can only, as a personal opinion, speculate that they are starting to hurt.
I find it hard to believe that SRL has even close to than number...
Fred
Edited: 12/01/06 4:04pm
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From: GlenTech (GLENTECH) 4:24pm
To: Fred (W0FMS) unread (6 of 7)
17904.6 in reply to 17904.5
>>I find it hard to believe that SRL has even close to than number...
SRL and Skyvision share the same programming so maybe together the numbers are higher. I know Skyvision has been around forever so that may be a
driving force.
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From: thegrod 4:25pm
To: Fred (W0FMS) unread (7 of 7)
17904.7 in reply to 17904.5
How can you accuse NPS of irrational decisions? Let's not forget how much money Charlie could have thrown at this problem.....NPS is a business and
they need to make money. If an opportunity comes along to make a significant amount of additional money many a business plan has been changed on the
fly. Sometimes it's a big mistake and sometimes it's a windfall. There's no way to know all the terms of the deal so there's no way to accuse anyone
of irrationality.
As an NPS subscriber to their "distant networks" for many years ( Denver) I do not want to lose that privelege so I'm concerned, but it's way bigger
than what I want or even what all C Banders want. Ultimately, there are a million + people directly ( no pun intended) impacted by all of this.
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If you have an RV you can get your distance TV package for it, then put it on your house.
The local TV stations will not grant a waiver for a distance TV signal over satellite if you can get the local signal over the satellite system
(called local in local) or over the air with a roof top antenna getting a grade B signal or better. A grade B signal will typically be in the 250-300
microvolt range (depending on channel and whether it's UHF or VHF) and will provide a very good signal. The quality of signal depends and many things.
Is there interference from another station or from some man made device for example.
"[Also a "class B" signal will be barely visible and will give you a headache in about 10 minutes. The local networks are not required to send out a
quality signal.]"
Bob those are false statements. A class B signal is a very good signal and the local network affiliates are required to meet the same standards as
everyone else. It's called FCC standards and governed by rules and regulations. I grant waivers on a regular basis to those that can not get our
signal. For some I may have to do field strength measurements to see what is there. For RVs I tell them to send a copy of the vehicle registration to
the satellite provider and if necessary I'll send them a waiver statement.
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Like everyone else, my distant channels are gone. Thank you dish network for NOT striking a deal with the network. Then they go on Charlie Chat on
channel 240 and attempt to make us think it is the government. Well, the same government governs DirecTV and they still have distant channels, humm,
wonder why that is? In all fairness, they did give two options for distant channels on the program, DirecTV and 'www.mydistantneworks.com'
I watched dish channel 240 and at least was able to get over to www.allamericandirect.com (which directs you to www.mydistantneworks.com'
) and at least start the ball rolling there for distant networks. It sounds like they will be able to provide service for about 1/3 of the 800 -
900k dish subscribers of distant network.
When I first entered the zip code for my mailing address, Calexico, back came a message I was not eligible. About 10 minutes later I received an
email asking for some more information. In that email I asked it I could receive the distant networks from them since I am an RV'er. Still waiting
for that answer.
What I like about them providing the local channels (Atlanta and San Francisco Fox, NBC, CBS and ABC ae their two cities) is they will provide each
network for $2.50 a month or all Eight (8) feeds for $9.00. Yes, they stated they have one package price and it includes both the east and west
cities I mentioned. We will see.
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All this seems to have my head spinning.....
I have a motorhome and pay the extra $$ for the Dishnetwork receiver in it. Yesterday Dish did delete the East coast channels we were receiving. We
still receive the Los Angeles channels.
Can I receive a waiver so I can again receive the East coast channels?
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