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tripledigitken
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Winner of this years BK1
We went to the Long Beach Motorcycle Show today. Here is the winning Bike and overall winner.
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Ken - next baja moto ride is?? spring or fall?
i need notice to rent my ride! work i'll just BLOW OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Geronimo
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If only the 1X bike took the same course as the rest of the field then they would have something to brag about.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Geronimo
If only the 1X bike took the same course as the rest of the field then they would have something to brag about. |
My goodness... do you have something to share???
At El Crucero, Race Mile 328... #1x zoomed by us at 12:02pm and it was amazing how much of a lead he already had on the second bike (6x)... Close to
an hour I think!
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rts551
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San Ignacio the lead was even bigger (2 hours). Heard from a chase vehicle that 1X skirted Laguna Diablo. Didn't look like it on the video and was
not confirmed by GPS tracking.
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With the GPS black boxes, everyone must have, I don't think anyone is going to take a different course route. If you know they did SCORE should be
told. It is my understanding that all the leaders boxes are checked after the race. These boxes are used for checking speed on the hwy sections and
staying on course. I don't think SCORE wants any more bad publicity like they got in Dust to Glory with Campbell running on the beach.
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I was at the corner where the course turned south on Old Puerticitos Road and a spectator (who had a couple of relatives racing) said the first bike
came down OP road, not off the road to the west as all the others. Not a big cut but every second counts.
I wondered then what the Logger would show and what would be said about it.
[Edited on 12-11-2006 by bajalou]
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That's why guys prerun. I think what Campbell did in DTG was totally acceptable. Obviously, the racers should not take a road that completely
bypasses a section (that is why there are secret checkpoints). But, riding on the beach or taking a smoother side road, or going through a better
arroyo crossing.... is why people prerun. SO they can find the fastest, safest, better route.
However, it is kinda strange how the 1x bike had such a huge lead this year. I was in a heli this year filming the race and they were hauling butt,
but so were the guys right behind them... I only saw the bikes for the first hundred miles though.
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Geronimo
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Honda puts the trackers on the motor, everyone else get them on the rear fender, Why? there is a Well Documented case out of San Felipe, 1x never
went by the pit, witnessed by hundreds. It does not acount for the huge lead, only a couple of minutes. I am sure they were lost, maybe a lack of
prerunning. If you believe that Honda goes by the same rules as everyone else you haven't been paying attention. see this link for some facts
http://tonyt.prodesertracing.com/?p=194
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CShirk
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I doubt 1x had a lack of pre-running. And I doubt even more that they were lost, especially around S.F.
[Edited on 12-11-2006 by CShirk]
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I would suspect that while pre-running one might find some shortcuts. In the days when the object was just to get from one point to another in the
least time, lots of possibilities existed for getting around. Now that you're supposed to be within XX feet from the market course, these shortcuts
could cause problems.
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The logger is overlayed on the actual course to check. During prerunning if you find a line you want to take you can ask Sal or Paul and if they say
OK then you can use it. Usually, Sal will bring this up at the riders meeting. The SCORE rules say you must stay within 50 feet of the course
centerline. That is what a lot of people complained about when Campbell took the beach route in D to G. I had a couple of racers say that Sal said in
the riders meeting it was OK. Maybe he did or didn't I wasn't there. Childress (1X) got DG'd in the SF250 this year for cutting the course. He was
caught by Paul Fish in a helo. If I were a racer (or even saw) and knew of a bike or car that cut the course by a helpful margin I would complain.
Honda has a history of doing that and other things, like switching bikes.
As to 1X having such a big lead. I'm not surprised at all. Outside of 1X and 6X who else was a fast team. There weren't any. Outside of Honda the fast
desert racers won't race Baja. They don't want to deal with the crap that's put in their way at the speeds they need to run to win. They're at BITD
and other U.S. races. BITD pulled out of Baja for the same reason. With Kawasaki not racing and now KTM not racing there just ain't any fast teams to
challenge Honda. And if a fast guy comes along like Childess and mouse did they get signed by Honda. Andy Grider on KTM was a hope but he's now in a
car. Was Robbies Co-pilot at the 1000.
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When 1x went by us at RM95 his front wheel was only touching the ground enough to keep him headed the right direction. Otherwise, he was on the
throttle hard every second. Even that early he had a five or six minute lead on 6x. Was also covered by several helos with camera crews who would
have probably noticed any off-course deviation since they were only about 100 feet overhead at all times...
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TW, you may be right in your comments, but still. You tell me what it take to accomplish this.
http://www.baja.net/fud/index.php?t=msg&th=10330&sta...
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Now thats some interesting info. Especially TTs blog. Can't tell where exactly that is the tracker shows him off course, but if he came down all
that nice new pavement south of town, which as you all know was slower than the dirt before it was repaved, that would have made a big lead!!
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Geronimo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CShirk
I doubt 1x had a lack of pre-running. And I doubt even more that they were lost, especially around S.F.
[Edited on 12-11-2006 by CShirk] |
Lost comment was said with extreme sarcasm. I know that the 1X team get paid to pre-run and spends a lot of time doing it. The fact is that reliable
people saw THIS incident. One is a Honda dealer, angry that HIS money is being used to fund this effort. The second is a SF resident that was just
inducted into the Off-road Hall of Fame in Reno this year. Helicopters, witnesses, trackers, boy scouts with bibles, site what ever you want. Dust
to Glory had some awesome footage of them cheating, It happened. I personally think that motorcycles are kind of like paint drying and do not care
what they do. I do care that it is keeping a TT or 1 car from a true overall win.
I will not comment on any other deviation only this one well documented case. If you were in Sal's position and new that Honda was paying to be
featured on network TV, That they were the only factory effort left, and that they are idolized by much of the fan base, would you DQ them for doing
whatever it takes to stay on top?
Flame away
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by Geronimo]
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by Geronimo]
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Minnow
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They did in this years 250. 1x bike dq'd. Thats how DP snuck into second place. How that fit into your theory Geronimo? Dude, your rants are starting to sound like sour grapes. Rally logger, competition
review board. Any of this mean anything to you?
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Geronimo
| Quote: | Originally posted by CShirk
I doubt 1x had a lack of pre-running. And I doubt even more that they were lost, especially around S.F.
[Edited on 12-11-2006 by CShirk] |
Lost comment was said with extreme sarcasm. I know that the 1X team get paid to pre-run and spends a lot of time doing it. The fact is that reliable
people saw THIS incident. One is a Honda dealer, angry that HIS money is being used to fund this effort. The second is a SF resident that was just
inducted into the Off-road Hall of Fame in Reno this year. Helicopters, witnesses, trackers, boy scouts with bibles, site what ever you want. Dust
to Glory had some awesome footage of them cheating, It happened. I personally think that motorcycles are kind of like paint drying and do not care
what they do. I do care that it is keeping a TT or 1 car from a true overall win.
I will not comment on any other deviation only this one well documented case. If you were in Sal's position and new that Honda was paying to be
featured on network TV, That they were the only factory effort left, and that they are idolized by much of the fan base, would you DQ them for doing
whatever it takes to stay on top?
Flame away
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by Geronimo] |
One is a Honda dealer, and a SF resident that . Helicopters, boy scouts with bibles. are these the things that give someone integrity or what
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"[You tell me what it take to accomplish this.]"
Minnow, it takes a lot of hard work, teamwork, money, sponsors, prerunning, a really good bike and dedication. I think they did a great job. But if 1X
had not been DQ'd at San Felipe they would have finished 3rd in points. The SCORE series for MC's is only 3 races. They are tough especially with the
booby traps and people going forward, backwards and sideways on the course and in the longer races the 4 wheelers catching you. I'm sure any of those
guys would kick my butt on a MC, but they are not in the same league as the Honda factory riders. They finished 7th in the 1000 with an average 16mph
behind 1X and 10mph average behind 6X. Unless the Honda factory teams get DQ'd or something goes really wrong they'll be a 3rd place team at best. I
know what it takes to win a SCORE class championship and to win races, I sponsored such a team, TnT Racing 1992-1995. 94 & 95 class 21 champs. In
the SF 250 winner & 3rd overall bike 94 & 95. 500 winner 93 & 95 (2nd overall bike in 95). 1000 class winner 93 & 95 (5th overall bike
to La Paz). It wasn't cheap and it wasn't easy. They went on for a Kawasaki team ride before splitting and I moved to TX.
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Geronimo
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Minnow
1x did get DQ'ed at San Felipe, hardly an important race for there marketing campaign. They claimed it was a slap on the wrist for the DtoG deal.
Sour Grapes? I am a limited racer, the only thing I race is checkpoint closing times, and most teams I race with consider a finish a win. I was
raised to call a cheater a cheater. Yes, I know all about CRB. I believe they convened in La Paz after the race, anyone that wanted to could have
went from SF to La Paz and spoke up, and no one did. I am sure that the technology that goes into the rally tracker is 100% reliable as is the human
element that is involved.
Gadget
It was actually the first part of Old Purtotsitos Road right out of SF. The course does a z thing and the road goes straight. There are some sandy
whoops in there around the San Felipe water Pila's. Probably only saved five minutes, hardly worth the effort IMHO.
Bruce
Are you a journalist? That kind of quote editing could get you a job in no time at a major newspaper.
If Honda is listening and finds my comments a threat to there dominance in Baja I am for Sale. I will become a Honda cheer leader if a 2007 Rincon is
delivered to Salome Where she Danced Arizona, if they want to whack me please disregard.
Disclaimer (the above is a joke, for those of you born without a sense of humor or are unwilling to use it on the internet.)
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