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abreojos
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Nauticia Escalera Fizzle
Looks like the website for the Nautica Escalera Project has been taken down now that Fox is out of office. Has anyone heard either rumor or fact about
what is going on so we can kick it around a little ?
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elgatoloco
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http://www.fonatur.gob.mx/mardecortes/
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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abreojos
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Thats a better looking website. Thanks elgatoloco!
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4baja
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was just there and theres a hell of a wave at the new jetty on a big north. they will have to constanly dredge that harbor and still may not work.
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abreojos
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Where is that 4baja?
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Crusoe
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Could this be San Carlos??
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Bob H
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Is that photo in Punta Santa Rosalillita?
Bob H
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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vgabndo
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4baja that isn't a recent photo is it?
We were there on the 4th. and there was no way that silted in harbor could have floated that long liner. There was an easy walk through the harbor to
the opening in the breakwater. It WAS low tide...but....
Damned nice road through!!
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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David K
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No kidding Grover... You turn up the sound to hear the guy talk then got to crank it down for that (yech) soundtrack!
They couldn't even spell Santa Rosalillita (or pronounce it) correctly! Thank's for the link, however!
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bajajudy
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Serge Dedina is a well respected member of the Wildcoast Org. He wrote the book, "Saving the Gray Whale"
The sound was horrible but what he was saying was poignant. More money wasted for some politicians wet dream.
If you go there check out all the other clips available on Baja...some better quality, some not....afterall it is only UTUBE.
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CasaManzana
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Right on BajaJudy....
This thing has been a bad joke from the "concepcion". As a longtime sailor in Baja waters, this idea has been a running joke in California sailing
circles that more than 25- 30 boats a year...MAX...would ever use this service. My guess is it will never see one yacht. Been good for the locals
however...gotta a nice air strip..er...road out of the deal. SNAFU bigtime (Situation Normal- All F***ed Up). The entertainment factor is so great
down here...well now that I think about it...pretty good up there as well these last few years.
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tehag
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Escalera
The death notice of Escalera Nautica is somewhat premature. If you doubt this, take a peek at Puerto Loreto (Pto. Escondido previously). Singlar is
the new name, but the game hasn't changed all that much.
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Jack Swords
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As Tehag pointed out, Escondido under Singlar has made major changes. Here in La Paz the new marina labeled a part of Escalara Nautica is almost
completed in the west part of the bay down a looong channel (like Chula Vista in CA). They have the docks installed, buildings, fuel dock, and lots
of jackstands for boat storage. It appears identical to that in Escondido. So far no boats, but the new marina, Costa Baja, empty last year is full
this year. This place is jumping with new development. At least 3 golf courses are planned, 500 slip marina too. La Ribera is getting a 4 star
hotel and another marina to be cut into the land. San Jose del Cabo's new marina is advertising now and charges $20 - $30 USD a foot of boat length
per month. Cabo has a waiting list. This mirrors the growth in condos, hotels, and houses. Loreto Bay has competition on the Magote in La Paz with
Paraiso del Mar, a similar outlandish development. But, they are selling.
Fewest number of anchor-outs I've seen. Seems most boaters are now able to pay for slips. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Getting
crowded on the Sea of Cortez....
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4baja
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this is not a new pic as i didnt have my cam at the time but it shows the harbor. if anybody has spent as much time as i have spent there then you
know the plan is crazy. the times i have spent there with sail boats comeing in with brocken mast, blown moters, and damaged hulls has amased me. the
area is a wind magnet and the pacific is brutal in the winter with waves and in the summer with wind and fog. in the summer tho can have awesome
fishing with large black sea bass and calico heaven. with the harshness i still love the area.
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abreojos
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I heard that the Villa Group, who have timeshare, full and fractional resorts both in Cabo and PV are going to break ground in Loreto this spring for
the 1st timeshare there. Haven't confirmed this yet, but it came from a reliable source. I know they have bought property there.
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Don Alley
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The "Escalara Nautica" project is now the "Mar de Cortez" project.
Perhaps the "land bridge" concept, and enticing visiting yachts from California, won't pan out. But it appears that the emphasis is shifting to marina
development on the SOC to mimic Cabo San Lucas.
La Paz: Lots of new development. Many second homes being built for north Americans. Many of these people want boats and La Paz may find that they can
lease slips as fast as they can put them in. And also supply dry storage for the seasonal visitors.
Loreto: As Loreto Bay and other developments grow, there will be a demand for slips and dry storage. The Loreto Marina has little capacity but Puerto
Escondido has been building facilities for fueling and boat storage. I would imagine slips will be in soon. Assuming Loreto Bay and the Villas
development don't fail there could be a large demand for slips and dry storage. Much of the trailer parking area has been designated as storage area,
and the ramp replaced, giving less real estate to the local trailer boaters but there is some controversey there and the old ramp and parking area
re-opened after a very brief closure.
Villas group: I saw an interview with a local official on the TV last year saying Villas plans a 2000 unit development. I don't know if they are time
shares. The location is Ensenada Blanca. Lots of controversy there over access and the continued location of the existing village.
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El Jefe
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I surfed the harbor entry at Santa Rosaliita about three weeks ago. Waves broke right across where you would want to sail your boat through to get
into the marina. Small but fun surf with off shore winds just howling. This will be a rare bird wave that only breaks on a big NW swell. Might even be
OK when the marina is dredged. The thing is full of sand right now so no boats could get in. There is a lot of construction activity going on there,
however. Who knows?
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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Costa Baja, empty last year is full this year.
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I keep my boat at Marina Costa Baja. Yes the place is now full. Annnnnd, since it is full...........they are increasing their slip fees by 55% on
February 1. Ouch!
I believe there is going to be an ever increasing demand for marine services in Baja for at least 10 years into the future. Mexico "on the cheap" is
becoming increasingly difficult and is probably a thing of the past in some parts of Baja.
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Mexray
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I read these many comments...
...with interest, however, keep in mind that this project has another 8 or so years of develement, according to the Fonatur web site 'Gato' posted
above.
If you read the Fonatur info (in English) on their site, they spell out in great detail what the project is all about, and how they intend their
efforts will improve the living conditions of many Mexican citizens.
While some here don't like the looks of this project, and question it's 'essence', I believe you are a bit premature in calling it a 'failure'.
Bringing about 'real' change over so vast an area, takes time and much effort and co-operation from those directly involved...sure there are pitfalls
and false-starts, but take a look at the 'big dig' in Boston to see how far reaching government 'boondoggles' can take years and years to try to get
it right!
I believe the Mexican Govt. truly wants to improve it's citizens living conditions, and this tourist oriented project will help further that goal.
Again if you read the Fonatur info, you will see that part of this project includes basic improvements in electrification, communication, clean water,
sanitation, and roadways for many rural Baja locations.
The Baja of old is changing, and the paving of hwy 1, in 1973, probably started the ball rolling, for good or bad, depending how you look at the
'glass'. While I have no data to support my thoughts, I feel you won't find a sizable part of Baja's Mexican population that doesen't welcome these
infrastructure improvements.
Mexico knows from past Fonatur projects, that..."If you build it, they will come!"
It's truly a double edged sword...we travel from the North, to the less crowded, solitude of Baja's wonderful beaches, till, low and behold, there are
so many of us there, it's beginning to get 'crowded' again! Guess what - there are many more of us here on the 'Globe', seeking that 'solitude' than
there were 30 years ago...I offer no solution, only some observations from afar....
Viva Baja...and it's citizens who put up with we 'Northern Invaders'.
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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Sharksbaja
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I think we're better off waiting for the canal
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