4baja
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passports
heard there extending the deadline to 2009 now, allso heard that the mexican goverment will wave the tourist card requirment. any info on this?
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Taco de Baja
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The current State Department language can be read many ways concerning passports 
As of today, April 23, 2007:
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Under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI):
As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central
and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid
passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security. While recent legislative changes permit a later
deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice
will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries. |
US Dept. of State
Mexico waive the turista card....I don't think so. 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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sancho
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Last I heard , to cross back in
by land or sea it was pushed
back to July 2008, they have
a 'cheaper' border crossing card
in the works, instead of the
$95 passport, a card in the $40
range will be sold for the
coming back by land
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Bob and Susan
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061015/news_1t15pa...
Passport deadline has been extended to:
... “no later than June 1, 2009”
...The new legislation does include a bonus promise of a less-expensive form of international identification for use by travelers crossing into the
U.S. by land or sea from Mexico... called the Passenger Access Security Service Card (PASS).
...“We're being told it should be at least half the cost of a federal passport”.
[Edited on 7-4-2007 by BajaNomad]
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BajaBruno
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As a practical matter, what can US Immigration (now Homeland Security) do if a US citizen presents at the border with no passport, even after it is
required? They aren't going to send you back across the border--they can't. They have to admit you, although they will use all of their typical
punitive devices (like detention and thorough search) to make you wish you had conformed to the letter of today's version of the
law/rules/regulations/or policies, whether written or assumed.
Having said that, I've found it is always easier dealing with our dear border bureaucrats when I have my passport.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Bruno, in the post 9/11 world positive identification is the way of things. If you cant "prove" you are a citizen then you are not one. Thats just the
way it is (and will be).
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Bob and Susan
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remember at the border homeland security has "NO rules"
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
As a practical matter, what can US Immigration (now Homeland Security) do if a US citizen presents at the border with no passport, even after it is
required? They aren't going to send you back across the border--they can't. |
Unless you were aware of something I don't know about I have always assumed that they will send you back - to the US consulate in TJ to have them sort
out your status.
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Regarding tourist cards... Calderon visited here this week and said, (paraphrasing) Mexico sould support all foreigners with expedited efforts for
visas including automatic 180 day visa and easy renewel. FM-3 should be fasttracked too. I don't know if he is taking efforts to change laws but it is
clear that he asked the offices to make life easier for foreigners who are apparently the number one business interest in baja.
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BajaBruno
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alan
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
As a practical matter, what can US Immigration (now Homeland Security) do if a US citizen presents at the border with no passport, even after it is
required? They aren't going to send you back across the border--they can't. |
Unless you were aware of something I don't know about I have always assumed that they will send you back - to the US consulate in TJ to have them sort
out your status. |
Good luck turning me around, even if I show up naked. I'm not known to be that compliant. The immigration fellows and I can work it out in
front of a magistrate.
If a Cuban can sail in on a couple of roped together palm trunks and get automatic residency, they sure as hell ain't turning me around.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Dave
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Then you won't need to strip for the "full body cavity search"
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
Good luck turning me around, even if I show up naked. I'm not known to be that compliant. The immigration fellows and I can work it
out in front of a magistrate.
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The border agents love it when you talk tough. It makes their day. 
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Well I hope that Calderon's vision reaches here soon. We now have to apply for fm3 lucrativos every 6 months...which means twice the expense and also
that they have our fm3 almost more than we do. The last one we got was good until septiembre 31,2007. Does that mean forever!?!?!?!?!?!?
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A passport is easier to keep up with than a handfull of assorted ID's, drivers licenses, birth certificates, and who knows what else.
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bajabruno
just out of curiosity, how do you plan to prove your citizenship without a passport? 
please post what happens if, after one is required, you show up at the border wanting to return to the good ol' usa ...without one.
ˇbuena suerte!
lili
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| Quote: | | The border agents love it when you talk tough. It makes their day.
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Ya, for that you get to sit on the curb and watch the agents rip your car apart.
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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No Sending Back.
Since you are already IN the USA when you speak with I.C.E., they cannot legally send you back into Mexico. They CAN detain you and
take you before a magistrate just as they do with ALL of the illegals they catch who don't volunteer to return to Mexico.
As mentioned earlier, they can also disassemble your vehicle as they wish for whatever reason.
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There is always the ever-dreaded body cavity search. The ultimate power statement.
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Dave ---
Didn't see that up there. You already mentioned it.
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