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bajajudy
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March Today
Greenpeace es una organización ecologista internacional, económica y políticamente independiente, que utiliza la no violencia y la confrontación
creativa para
denunciar los problemas ambientales globales y para proponer soluciones necesarias para un futuro verde y en paz.
Por medio de la presente, invitamos a su respetable
medio de comunicación a la marcha:
En la que participarán ciudadanos de San José del Cabo, con el fin de defender la
reserva ecológica de Baja California Sur, y de solicitarle a Luis Armando Díaz,
presidente municipal de Los Cabos, BCS., que trabaje en favor de la protección
del medio ambiente y de la comunidad.
Agradecemos la asistencia y la cobertura de su medio a esta actividad.
Favor de enviar fotógrafa(o) y camarógrafo, pues habrá imagen.
La cita es este JUEVES 10 DE MAYO A LAS 10:00 a.m.
en la planta de tratamiento de aguas residuales de Fonatur
(frente a la estación de bomberos), en el CENTRO de SAN JOSÉ
DE LOS CABOS, en Baja California Sur.
Para mayor información, comunicarse con Cecilia Navarro (en el DF) al 5530 2165 ext.
220 o al 04455 5172 9869 o con Raúl Estrada (en Los Cabos) al 045 55 2746 3236 o visitar
la página www.greenpeace.org.mx. Imágenes disponibles.
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As much as I dislike the French, I have to say that their method of dealing with Greenpeace years ago was the most effective and satisfying I had seen
then or have seen since.
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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
As much as I dislike the French, I have to say that their method of dealing with Greenpeace years ago was the most effective and satisfying I had seen
then or have seen since. |
Bill, I could not agree more.
Seems that the Greenlosers found a cause to fight though. The article says that the March/Protest is going to be at the treatment plant. They want
to raise concerns about where all the effluent is going to be discharged. The Marina does not have permission to use the city's plant. So what are
they going to do, discharge all of the waste into the marina? YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paulina edit: Punctuation
Thanks Paulina
[Edited on 10-5-2007 by Minnow]
[Edited on 10-5-2007 by Minnow]
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Cameron
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March/Greenpeace
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
As much as I dislike the French, I have to say that their method of dealing with Greenpeace years ago was the most effective and satisfying I had seen
then or have seen since. |
I may be banned/kicked off the board for this one, but *** .*** ******, *** *** ** *******
When the French bombed the Rainbow Warrior in New Zealand, they killed an innocent man (a photographer) who was guilty of nothing more than taking
pictures!
AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S POLITICS, BUT HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU SAY THAT MURDER IS "EFFECTIVE AND SATISFYING???
Greenpeace is a non-violent organization dedicated to the preservation of our planet ant the species living on it. Sure, they've done some stupid
stuff, but do their members deserve to be killed for it? The French agents held responsible for the Rainbow Warrior bombing were charged with arson,
conspiracy to commit arson, willful damage and murder. Are these the kind of people you want to be?
How about the civil-rights advocates killed in Mississippi in the 1960's? Did they deserve to die too?
Your post makes me sick. 
"Effective and satisfying.." my a**.
Cameron
[Edited on 5-10-2007 by Hose A]
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Paulina
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Ok Minnow....
If you're going to use my name in your editing process, let's get it right then!
"Affluent": Not sure that is the word you wanted to use in that text.
adjective 1. having an abundance of wealth, property, or other material goods; prosperous; rich: an affluent person.
2. abounding in anything; abundant.
3. flowing freely: an affluent fountain.
–noun 4. a tributary stream. (maybe you were thinking along this line? A tributary stream of waste?
5. an affluent person: a luxurious resort appealing to young affluents.
Then theres "citiies". Edit out one i.
Replace "waist" with waste.
You've got a good start, though!
Paulina>*)))><
Edit: I am not taking sides within this debate, just turning on a light bulb where needed.
[Edited on 10-5-2007 by Paulina]
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Bob and Susan
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wow...watch out Bruce R Leech...someone is having a BAD day
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Go Greenpeace!
Thank God they have the cojones to do something about this situation. I'm tired of hearing the fatalists on this board talk about the 'inevitable'.
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Minnow
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Cameron, didn't the French give everyone ample warning about what was going to happen. Kinda reminds me of the guy who would not leave Mt. St.
Helens. Anyone remember his name. It was historical. Forewarned is fair warned.
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I find it amusing that some of the same people in this post who acknowledge and rail against the corruption and shortsightedness of the Mexican
Government would criticize one of the few organizations that has the cojones to go up against them.
Greenpeace aint perfect, but I see few other organizations walking the walk when it comes to the disaster that is Mexican conservation at the federal
level.
[Edited on 5-10-2007 by Hook]
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Minnow
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two wrongs don't make a right.
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Cameron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Cameron, didn't the French give everyone ample warning about what was going to happen. Kinda reminds me of the guy who would not leave Mt. St.
Helens. Anyone remember his name. It was historical. Forewarned is fair warned. |
Do you think the French put out a press release? "We are about to commit a Terrorist act, bombing an unarmed ship in a neutral port, crewed by an
unarmed crew who espouse a non-violent philosophy. Please stand by while we murder this civilian and sink the aforementioned ship." Please!
It took the French government 20 years to admit to their "official" role in the bombing, and the perpetrators were charged and convicted.
"Forewarned is fair warned."??? You mean like when Osama Bin Bonehead sent out videotapes warning of attacks against America? Or when the KKK burned
crosses all over the South chanting "****** go home"???
What the French did was a Terrorist action. They targeted civilians who posed no direct threat to them while they were in a neutral/3rd party country.
Minnow, are you actually saying you approve of what the French did? Seriously?
Cameron
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
two wrongs don't make a right. |
I think Patrick Henry and George Washington would disagree. Some ideals are worth civil disobedience, in the face of intransigence.
Developments with no adequate plans for sewage treatment or water supply.....where have we heard this before?
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...the guy on Mt St Helens was Harry Truman...kinda hard to forget the old guy and his refusal to leave the blast zone...
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Giving a damn in another land
It is interesting to see the armchair pundits jump on this one. You can slam GP all you want but their mission(s) sometimes may interest you. It takes
more than armchair wizardry to stage an event like this in order to gain mass public opinion. It shames me that a few can't see the forest thru the
trees. Or can't they, really?
Be honest now....how many of you actually knew this was in the works? I'd be surprised if anyone else here was informed or knew this was coming.
You have to ask youself this question: "Do I really know and understand what I can do to help dissuade distructive development in pristine or fragile
areas?"
You may call it (protest march)anything you like but it raises the brow of many "interested" parties. Most importantly, politicians. So, bring it on
GP.
Maybe I don't agree or understand all they do and where they do it, but I 'm happy there are organizations that focus on the bigger picture, our
future on planet Earth.
btw, sometimes people hear the cries but only if they listen closely. Some have good ears but hear nothing. I thank all our brothers and sisters who
work to defend great things for all of us. Keep writing letters. It does matter and have signifigance.
Loreto may be next.
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I'm kind of a green guy but don't favor those who subtly use misinformation and violence while holding themselves out as the warriors for ecologic
practices. I used to support them until the Rainbow warrior incident and then I took a look- and here's what I found
trying to disrupt native legally approved whale hunts- cooperating with radical environmental groups Ruckus Society and Black Bloc anarchists to
disrupt a corporate meeting in Dallas in 2002, (Ruckus is known for their use of masks, assuming aliases, police confrontation, street blokades) all
of which were used in the WTO demonstations here in DC where the Greenpeace folks blended in with the Radical folks. And Green peace has been involved
in the destruction of genetically engineered grain- approved for feed in Britian- because they disagreed with the government decision- causing loss of
hundreds of thousand of dollars to the owners.-- that seemed a little undemocratic to me-- but they know better than you and me.
Or when they ran a film about the helpless seal pups being clubbed and suffering - only to find out later during testimory from the seal hunter before
the Canadian parliament that the had been paid by Greenpeace to NOT kill the seal with the first blow.
That was enough for me when they staged the suffering of an animal to accomplish a political goal.
There are others - the loss of the US tuna fleet due to concerns over dolphins when extruding nets are 99% safe for dolphins but Greenpeace continues
to rail about the loss of Dolphins to tuna nets- so what happens- the tuna fishing goes to Japan, China, Poland because Greenpeace distorts the facts
to the American public while the rest of the fishing world gets a pass.
I'm for preserving our planet- but give me an honest organization over Greenpeace.
Norm
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Translated Version of http://www.greenpeace.org/mexico/news/greenpeace-demanda-al-...
Address: http://66.218.71.231/language/translation/translatedPage.php...
Turns out that he Puerto Los Cabos is illegal according to Greenpeace.
[Edited on 5-10-2007 by BajaNomad]
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Here's another:
Translated Version of http://noticias.prodigy.msn.com/nacional/articulo.aspx?cp-do...
Address:http://66.218.71.231/language/translation/translatedPage.php?tt=url&text=http%3a//noticias.prodigy.msn.com/nacional/articulo.aspx%3fcp-doc
umentid=4721514&lp=es_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-501
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Oh yes Cat, it's true, their tactics have been on the dark side on many issues. It's too bad this giant has so many tentacles. Their reputation is
mired with extreme stunts., many of which put people off, including myself.
It's a shame it reached those levels. I think they missed the boat with many issues but they are still a viable and powerful entity.
Here is a little primer regarding tuna & the
Marine Mammal Protection Act?
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/99winter/tuna.htm
To me that hurt many Americans right at the core. So comprehensive they ended up so short in foresight.
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That article will tell you that the final blow to the tuna industry had nothing to do with Greenpeace. Read about the cheaper overseas canneries,
tariffs on tuna imports, the Magansun Act of 1976, resulting in US tuna boat siezures in foreign countries. And it was the International Marine
Mammal Project, one of the original projects sponsored by Earth Island Institute, that organised a campaign, including a consumer boycott of tuna, in
order to urge U.S. tuna companies to end the practice of intentionally chasing and netting dolphins with purse seine nets, and to adopt "Dolphin Safe"
fishing practices to prevent the drowning of dolphins in tuna nets. In the two years that followed this agreement, the number of boats in San Diego's
tuna fleet dropped from thirty to eight.
An estimated 7 million dolphins have been killed by this fishing method over the past four decades, the largest marine mammal kill in history. Since
the adoption of IMMP's "Dolphin Safe" standards, reported dolphin deaths in the ETP have dropped from 80-100,000 annually in the late 1980's, to under
3,000 dolphins annually today.
That is success of a hard-fought battle by many many organizations, beginning 35 years ago. How can you deny that? How else could the dolphin fight
mankind's stupidity?
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Excrement Occurs
When someone goes in Harm's way, they should expect to be HARMED. Somewhat akin to the Students BAD Judgement at Kent State. It's too bad, but it
happens.
Referring to the Three deaths in Mississippi, that too, wasn't justified, BUT the two white "Civil Rights" workers, as members of the
U.S. Communist party (FACT) were down there to stir the Hornet's nest. Literature written by their organization made their motives clear. The voting
drive was a vehicle to create unrest which could be used for political purposes. When you stick your head into the Tiger's mouth, be prepared to be
bitten.
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