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pacificobob
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what?
as a retired airline pilot i spent a career flying all over the world as well as seeing first hand pilot training and aircraft maintenance and how its
done by various countries. please believe me, some of it would turn your hair white! american and european carriers have one standard....the rest of
the worlds carriers....well they are all over the map. dont put your loved ones or your own precious self on these airlines to save a few
dollars...... there IS a difference in safety!
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JZ
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And just how often do they crash? Percentage wise against US based flights and against other modes of travel?? If we followed your logic to it's
ultimate conclusion no one would leave the good ole US and even venture to a place like Mexico.
Give me a break pacifico bob. I think you had a few too many pacificos. When it's your time, it's your time.
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pacificobob
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good luck jz
i hope your time is a long way off amigo....by the way...im not recomending staying home...just not riding in aircraft piloted and maintained by
second rate staff....by the way....do you use seat belts?
[Edited on 5-13-2007 by pacificobob]
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JZ
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You better stay safe and sound inside your nice house in the good ole USA Bob.
Because following your logic, watch out for these people posting next, 1) the crimilogist with a life time experience studying crime in the world's
regions, and guess what, he reports there is lots more crime in Mexico, 2) next comes someone with a background on food and water supplies, and you
know what?, you're gonna be a lot safer eating your salads from Wholefoods markets, and 3) next is a guy who is an expert in highway safety, and I'll
be damned, the roads in other countries just don't match the safety standards of the good ole US. Should I continue??
Frankly, I'd be a lot more worried about a crash driving down hwy 1 then the Mexican operated plane going down. I'm also more worried about a 15 min
tab ride through TJ!
I think you are an alarmist trying to prove your knowledge about something.
[Edited on 5-13-2007 by JZ]
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longlegsinlapaz
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After 18 years with the Boeing Company; having first-hand knowledge of their high standards in manufacturing & quality control, as well as the
fact that when a plane is sold to a foreign country, the purchase price includes human bodies that go with the plane for the sole purpose of teaching
the local mechanics how to maintain the plane for a period of time...I'm talking years here, not days or weeks; I totaly agree with pacificobob! There's a reason for the mantra..."If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!"
Even a well-built plane in the hands of unskilled or incompetent mechanics or flight crews is scary as hell. Additionally, for ME, any government
subsidized plane is one I won't be booking my precious (to me!) butt on! After
all, there is a limit to the aerodynamic capabilities of duct tape, spit & baling wire!! If you'd ever heard stories pilots & stews tell
amongst themselves, or seen pilots with alcohol on their breath being escorted away at security check points, you'd have a better understanding for
what this ex-pilot is talking about! He know what he's talking about!!
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pacificobob
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jz!
tranquilo mi cuate!
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pargo
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Hah Hah Na na- na na
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bancoduo
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crash stats
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm
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JZ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
understanding for what this ex-pilot is talking about! He know what he's talking about!! |
Yeah, so, all the ex-coast guard people will tell you all about boating safety in the SOC compared to the US also. And scare us all off of this
pastime.
[Edited on 5-14-2007 by JZ]
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Don Alley
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And NO fatalities for Aero California!
(or Air Kazakstan)
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
And just how often do they crash? |
Usually only once.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Lee
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Might as well throw this in.....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
And just how often do they crash? |
Usually only once. |
Two questions you never want to hear a pilot say:
1) Where's that sound coming from?
2) OH SH*T!
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craiggers
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I think what Pacifico is refering to avoiding flying a Mexican Airine to save a few bucks. I don't think he's advocating not flying at all. He may be
right as to the condition of the used planes in Mexico less qualified pilot and groundcrew. Howerver the last plane I remember crashing enroute to or
from Mexico was the alaska air flight that crashed off Oxnard a few years back.
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JZ
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Following that logic maybe people should stop going to Mexico for cheap vacations and cheap real estate because Mexico is less safe overall.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Fact: 98.2 % of Aircraft Accidents are caused by Pilot Error.
Fact; It is still the safest Method of Transportation;
Aero California has indeed had an Accident and it was on a Loreto Flight to LAX. The hot Rod Pilot descended to get under the Altitude Requirement for
Approach and Hit a Small Aircraft- Occurred over Cerritos,.
Skeet/Loreto
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
Following that logic maybe people should stop going to Mexico for cheap vacations and cheap real estate because Mexico is less safe overall.
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Where in the original post do you see any reference to Mexico or Mexican airlines??? pacificobob said "american and european carriers have one
standard....the rest of the worlds carriers....well they are all over the map." There is a
whole lot of world out there besides Mexico. While it's true that personal danger could lurk anywhere....cars or boats or walking down any street in
the world....IMHO you've taken the original post way out of context!! He was a
pilot & was simply expressing his personal opinion based on his experience & knowledge.
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rts551
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Oh excuse me. I thought this was a Baja, Mexico Board and the references were to Baja.
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coconaco
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JZ DITTO
I for one was ruined by the microscopic bacteria food expert and too much HANDling in the making of tamales in that Carmelita tamale thread. I have
eaten there three times since, but it enters my mind each time. She serves her comunity very well and it is her reputation as well as her livelyhood.
Last month was there for breakfast at 6:30 a.m
and it was packed. She sells hundreds of tamales everyday.
If that tamale stand was government subsidized I would not eat their either.
Sometimes I just don't want to know- "some folks drink to remember I drink to forget"
ignorance can get expensive
But seriously, are we not attracted to Mexico because it is a third world nation. You have to keep your gaurd up and exercise caution in everything
you do.
Travel,living,recreating and eating in Mexico or anywhere for that matter is an adventure and there are inherent risks. The wealth of information on
this board is amazing. I like the acute disection of topics by specialists in their field, you just have to keep it in perspective.
I come to this board and Baja to get away from what I do. Maybe I will be an expert when in the pasture.
THE MINNOW must be lost!!!!!
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Martyman
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JZ
Right on!
Too many people, especially elder people, let fear control their life. Fear can snowball and people are afrid to pick their nose for fear they might
get a brain hemorrage.
In fact, I don't think we should allow Pompano to go out fishing anymore That SOC is so scary with stingrays and sharks and everything!
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JZ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Where in the original post do you see any reference to Mexico or Mexican airlines??? pacificobob said "american and european carriers have one
standard....the rest of the worlds carriers....well they are all over the map." There is a
whole lot of world out there besides Mexico. While it's true that personal danger could lurk anywhere....cars or boats or walking down any street in
the world....IMHO you've taken the original post way out of context!! He was a
pilot & was simply expressing his personal opinion based on his experience & knowledge. |
Oh, ok... he was just talking about any random airline or country in the world??? Ok, right...
Except for the facts that:
1. This is a Baja/MX based forum
2. There were a whole bunch of posts asking about Mexican airlines and discussing the pricing savings.
I think my 5 year old could have connected those dots... nice try though.
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