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mike odell
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the disaster coming
Have none of the nomads been following the news about the new fishing rules that have been passed into law???????
Read the english newspaper The Baja News, front page and center section.
The $%$$$! longliners and purse seiners now have the LEGAL RIGHT to work to 15 miles of the coast of the sea of cortez. Massivae demonstrations in
Cabo , and elsewhere but nothing is being done yet. This is potentially the worse thing that could happen on Both sides of the sea of cortez.
Follow this news as closely as you can, And no this not a Greenpeace rant. All of who live or vacation here are seriosly impacted by this obcenity of
a law.
Big business on the mainland has lined their pockets again, Sport Fishing be damned.
The impact of this law now in effect is overwhelming to all of us that love BAJA.
There is allready the Red Sea , are we soon to be the DEAD SEA?
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fishbuck
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So much for everyone thinking the Mexicans can manage their fishery in a sustainable manner.
The new Shark Norma 029 allows the netters and longliners to fish within the 50 mile conservation zone for sharks. But it allows them to keep and sell
the bycatch. That means marlin and tuna and everything else.
This is terrible for sure. I sent the form letter availible on the Sea Watch site but what else can be done about it?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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mike odell
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fishbuck,
the vieled shark norma rule is not about sharks, bycatch is what is about, and BIG money. It will take all the Hotel and Developers,Real Estate firms,
etc, to fight this shat, after their pockets are effected, maybe the little guys will be heard,but , in my thinking, not before.
Shoot youself in the foot again comes to mind, but this time I think blow off both legs with double ought buck is more liked it.
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mike odell
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I just looked off my upstairs deck, which I think is about 100 ft above sea level, at the water, there are lights on the horizon,moving slowly, that I
haven't noticed at this time of nght,11 pm, I don't think it's a sailboat in transit.
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Hook
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Would appreciate it if you would keep us posted on this. Sightings, etc.
I read on a Sonora fishing board that longlines were already out over there but they sounded like the typical panga ones that have NEVER GONE AWAY,
LAW OR NO LAW.
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Don Alley
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http://actualidad.terra.es/nacional/articulo/organizaciones_...
| Quote: | | Diversas organizaciones ecologistas nacionales e internacionales celebraron hoy la entrada en vigor de una nueva ley en México que regula la pesca de
tiburones y rayas para evitar el desequilibrio en su producción. |
So not everyone is unhappy? There have been some complicated negotiations over the Shark Norma going on for several years. Perhaps some of the
environmental groups got some things they wanted, such as some zones closed to shark fishing, and technical protection of great white and whale
sharks, which apparently would be released if caught under the norma.
I have yet to see the latest details of the revised rules, but apparently large areas will be opened to the legal commercial take of dorado, marlin,
sailfish and other sport fish as "bycatch." Considering the numbers of sharks that remain in the Sea of Cortez, it sure seems to me that the intent of
the law and the resulting commercial fishery will be to further commercialize gamefish.
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Cypress
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Gill nets! Now purse seines also! Jeez! Followed by the clean-up fleet of
mid-range trawlers and factory ships. About a dozen of those big trawlers can sweep a wide patch.
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Crusoe
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This is really sad!!........The good old days maybe now.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Mike;
In the Late 40"s Sharks were taken in the Sea of Cortez by the Thousands for their Livers only.
In the 70<s at one time there were two Japanese Commercial Boats with 5 Foot Diameter Tubes Sucking up the Fish on the Eastside of Carmen for over
30 Days. Their Catch was siezed by the Mexican Govt. and given to the Poor of Mexicao City.
In the past 15 years there has been 1000's of Tons of Squid taken by Hanjin.
In the 7o's the Sierra were taken by the Tons from the Bays.
70's and 80' Shrimp Boats were a Nightly Part of Loreto.
Yet this year there are Sharks and from Pompano and others Reports the Dorado Fishing is Fantastic.
I watched all of this happening over the Past 40 years of living on and Fishing The Sea of Cortez.
I do not profess to having the Answers, but I am inclined to beleive that if a certain Species is "Wiped Out" that another will evolve to takes its
Place.
Yesterdays News reported that 400 new Species had been Discovered!
Who Knows???
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Iflyfish
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Skeet,
Exactly! There is no problem with this. It is impossible to wipe out an entire species, and if that happens, something else will take over. Like
c-ckroaches if we ever nuke the human population out of existence.
Iflyfish
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Don Alley
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More information, and contact list from the Billfish Foundation:
http://www.billfish.org/new/NewsArticle.asp?ArticleID=60
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Baja Bernie
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Not a fisherman BUT
Does anyone have the ear of Bobbi Van Warmer (know that is not the spelling--I just have a mental block) or his son the Mexican Senator from that
area????
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Does anyone have the ear of Bobbi Van Warmer (know that is not the spelling--I just have a mental block) or his son the Mexican Senator from that
area???? |
Roberto Van Wormer is a congressman from BCS. He is undoubtedly aware of the problem.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mike odell
Have none of the nomads been following the news about the new fishing rules that have been passed into law???????
Read the english newspaper The Baja News, front page and center section.
The $%$$$! longliners and purse seiners now have the LEGAL RIGHT to work to 15 miles of the coast of the sea of cortez. Massivae demonstrations in
Cabo , and elsewhere but nothing is being done yet. This is potentially the worse thing that could happen on Both sides of the sea of cortez.
Follow this news as closely as you can, And no this not a Greenpeace rant. All of who live or vacation here are seriosly impacted by this obcenity of
a law.
Big business on the mainland has lined their pockets again, Sport Fishing be damned.
The impact of this law now in effect is overwhelming to all of us that love BAJA.
There is allready the Red Sea , are we soon to be the DEAD SEA?
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The happenings in Mex are just the tip of the iceberg. Same is happening all over the world: rampant overfishing. Problem is that laws, if passed,
are not obeyed. Hard to police the seas unless you have a large, mobile police force like USCG and other US agencies. In another 20 years many seas
will be dead, unless you start screaming to be heard now.
Many of you nomads seem to poo-poo environmentalist groups, but I think you need to put up or shut up.
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Cypress
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Skeet, That was then, this is now.  Bigger boats, bigger nets, very sophisticated
electronics and who knows what else will expedite the demise of whatever species they target. The by-catch, pound for pound or to be more realistic, ton by ton, can be worth more than the target species.
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Sharksbaja
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Gawd I love big business!
NOT!!
Another resource in the palms of the bad people.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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backninedan
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Skeet, you seem to have lost touch with reality.
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wilderone
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"I am inclined to beleive that if a certain Species is "Wiped Out" that another will evolve to takes its Place."
If you all have about 1 million years to allow that to happen, then, shoot, we don't have a problem, do we?
"Yesterdays News reported that 400 new Species had been Discovered!"
Where? Not in the Sea of Cortez.
"It is impossible to wipe out an entire species." Gotta new flash for ya:
"The 'Red Data Book of Japan' contains results of a survey on threatened fauna and flora conducted by the Environment Agency of Japan. It lists 259
species and subspecies of amphibians and fresh water fish that are original to Japan. Of these, two are extinct, 16 feared extinct, six in danger of
extinction, and 17 are scares (total 41 species in danger). For example, the Hokuriku and Abe Salamanders, Mase Salmon, Ariake Ice Fish, Shortfin
Scad, Metropolitan Bitterling and Chinese Stickle-back are listed as 'endangered'; the Hakuba salamander, Japanese Hunchen, Jead Spotted Charr, and
the Rough Shin Sculpin are listed as 'vulnerable'. "
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For years, many scientists and regulators believed the oceans were so vast there was little risk of marine species dying out. Now, some suspect the
world is on the cusp of what Ellen K. Pikitch, executive director of the Pew Institute for Ocean Science, calls "a gathering wave of ocean
extinctions." Dozens of biologists believe the seas have reached a tipping point, with scores of species of ocean-dwelling fish, birds and mammals
edging toward extinction. In the past 300 years, researchers have documented the global extinction of just 21 marine species — and 16 have occurred
since 1972.
Since the 1700s, another 112 species have died out in particular regions, and that trend, too, has accelerated since the mid-1960s: Nearly two dozen
shark species are close to disappearing, according to the World Conservation Union, an international coalition of government and advocacy groups.
"It's been a slow-motion disaster," said Boris Worm, a professor at Canada's Dalhousie University, whose 2003 study that found that 90 percent of the
top predator fish have vanished from the oceans. "It's silent and invisible. People don't imagine this. It hasn't captured our imagination, like the
rain forest."
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From The Marine Mammal Center:
"Extinction has happened throughout history, but in modern times the rate has increased dramatically. There is a link between the increase in the
extinction rate and the growth in human population. The worldwide human population was 1 billion in 1600, 1.5 billion 100 years ago, and is over 6
billion today. At the same time, the species extinction rate has increased to one species a day. If this continues, it will cause a dramatic drop in
the diversity of life on our planet, which will most certainly have serious effects.
Increasingly, people crowd out places for wild plants and animals to live. Some animals and plants can survive in only one specific type of habitat,
and when their habitat disappears, so do they. Some areas have become too polluted and unhealthy for animals and plants to survive. Recreational
activities also interfere with wildlife."
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Cypress
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widerone! We've got to give 'em a break.
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Baja Bernie
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Don Alley
Is anyone giving Roberto any support..............I know his dad has been a power behind catch and release, etc for years.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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