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Russ
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Fishing for the Mission?
Can some one in Loreto give me an update on the tournament? We're getting some rumors that it's been canceled. Due to a conflict with the Parks.
[Edited on 7-16-2007 by Russ]
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backninedan1
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The tourny wasn't canceled, but it did get kinda ugly at the ramp on Saturday. The city was demanding that all fisherman requiring park braclets have
them prior to being able to launch, of course there was no way to buy them at that time of morning sooooo, many boats were turned away with really hot
fisherman in them. There were even troops with guns standing by to get the point across, not a pretty picture.
I didn't fish in the tourny this time and am just letting you know what I saw and was told. It seemed like there was fault to be had on the cities
side and fisherman should know the local rules prior to heading out. All in all it was a mess.
Those that did get out had a better day than the previous, with many dorado in the 30 pound range being weighed in, I also saw half a dozen marlin
in the 150 pound range.
There was a good turnout for the tourny dinner and I heard they will be having the event again next year.
[Edited on 7-16-2007 by backninedan1]
[Edited on 7-16-2007 by backninedan1]
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Russ
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backninedan1 ,
Thanks! Rumors, Ya gotta love them!
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backninedan1
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Russ, I didn't say I wasn't there, just didn't fish this one.
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60's coming back to haunt me? Or does lencho have a phantom fish floating thru his post?
That's cool! First time I've noticed it.
Mean people suck!
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Russ
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backninedan1, "rumors" Was not for you at all! It was totally in reference to to the PC jungle telegraph
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This is taking the boat ramp/launch circus to a whole new level.
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backninedan1
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All it lacked was a few elephants.
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Don Alley
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I didn't fish in the tournament, but I did hear some rumors.
The tournament uses donated goods and services for ALL prizes and expenses, so ALL of the entry fee money and auction money goes to Loreto charities.
Rumor has it that on Friday some agency demanded money from the tournament and the tourney directors refused, so the show of force at the ramp was in
retaliation. Whoever wanted the money used Profepa for payback. That's the rumor.
As far as I know, it is a new rule/policy, as of Saturday, that every boat that launches at the ramp must have wristbands for non-residents. I assume
that many, if not most, of the tourney boats fished outside the park. Apparently, just crossing through the park to fish requires paying the toll.
Also, in the past residents not only did not need wristbands (by law), but their word that they had FM2 or FM3 documents was sufficient. Not on
Saturday; some residents had to park their trailers and go home to get their docs.
I don't know who wanted the money, Conapesca, API, the city, the Marine Park...I can guess but won't guess online.
Fishing was poor, with few boats weighing fish. I did talk with some guys who said they did very well today; they had a nice Grady White and found the
fish out past Punta Lobos 70 miles from Loreto. To far for me.
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HI there,
I was there on Saturday and saw the whole scene. In fact I filmed it and posted the video on my report at this page:
http://bajabigfish.com/conv_report.html
The marine park wanted "500 dollars" was the rumor I heard. They went to the party on friday night for payment for 250 wristbands to cover tournament
participants. I spoke with the Marine Park on saturday morning and they weren't trying to extort, only wanting payment for permits that were
required, and someone from the tournament refused to pay. That was the wrong decision as we paid for it on Saturday. Officials were very on the
defensive on saturday but cool about explaining it once I asked and told them that I wasn't part of the tournament. fortunately all our boats were
permitted in every way.
Is that the Grady White catamaran you refer to? verrrry nice looking boat!
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So, tournament officials botched the very logical purchase of the wristbands Friday night and the rules are changing for the FM2 and FM3 participants.
Maybe they should change the name to Mission for the Fishing, with all the hoops you need to jump through.
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flyfishinPam
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HI there,
yes the tournament organizers screwed up, always procure every single permit imaginable. I organized one tourney, never again too stressful. We had
to claim all prizes with customs on the way into Mexico and inventory all on the way out. We had to get lots of permits and this was before the
marine park.
no, nobody made up new rules for FM holders, they are supposed to bring their immigration document with them when using the park if they want to go
around paying that 21 peso fee.
21 pesos for each person using the park each day, bit whoop. I believe that if it were me, I definately would have covered that.
I like the name Mission for the Fishing, fits well.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
no, nobody made up new rules for FM holders, they are supposed to bring their immigration document with them when using the park if they want to go
around paying that 21 peso fee.
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Well, gee, the several times they have checked me and friends in the park in the past they could have told us that. But our word was good enough. Now
it's not, and that's a change. I doubt that there is any published rule on who should carry what document if claiming residency. Driver's license?
Voter card? I think it's whatever they say, and they are saying something different now. Anyway, I asked for a clarification at the Marina park office
today and they said a copy is fine. But I would not be surprised if that "rule" changes.
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the officials at the ramp on Saturday, along with their show of armed force, were checking ALL documents for boats and boaters using the ramp. they
chose the second day of a long standing charity event to enforce rules which are relatively new, and ever changing. (I'm a local resident and can't
remember if the bands requirement went into effect before or after the last FFM tournament. and I've never been required to show my FM3 to use the
park). the issue this time was apparently the 21 (?) peso/day wrist bands required for use of Park waters which are little publicised and only
available during limited weekday hours.
the fact...not rumor... is that someone who was unidentified went to the private compound of one of the organizers of the FFM tournament at 11pm on
Friday night with a penciled note on the back of an envelope demanding 5000 pesos for '250 wristbands.' unsure of what was going on, that person
declined saying that the it would be better if wristbands were available in the morning at the launch ramp and that he was sure that anyone who had
not known of this requirement beforehand would be happy to purchase one then.
the people who 'screwed up' were the local Mexican authorities. there is little official information published or available to sportsmen/women who
come to use the waters. the people who 'screwed up' were the locals who decided to use force/machismo rather than education and/or making it less
difficult to comply with formalities. the people who 'screwed up' are the ones who confront with force well meaning fishermen who were NOT trying to
scam the Parks dept out of a piddly 21 pesos a day but were merely ignorant. another department which 'screwed up' was the fishing license one,
right next to the Parks Dept. it would have been simple enough to say...go next door and pick up your park permit. the woman said nothing to me when
I bought my license on Tuesday and I have spoken with people who said they asked her if the park passes were required for the tournament and were
told 'don't worry about it.'
tourament officials are no more responsible for individual Park permits than they are for fishing licenses for all involved. perhaps the bands could
be included the tournament fees as a courtesy, a great suggestion!... local officials and organizers could have sat down at a reasonable hour and
discussed that for the next time. but this overreaction was ridiculous. why this tournament not the recent Governor's or Loreto Bay tournament?
maybe FFM was just a set up for this particular macho peeing match??? third in a row and still minimal compliance. crack down selectively...Baja
SOP. it is a mark of their sportsmanship and commitment to the charities that they fund (let's not even consider the money that flows into the town
for hotels, restaurants, panga captains, etc) that the organizers would even consider returning next year. I wouldn't blame them if they didn't.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Bob and Susan
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the people who "screwed up" were not "local Mexican authorities" but...
the organizers for NOT informing the contestants WAY in advance of this requirment.
Fishermen that come great distances to participate in these events SHOULD be protected by the organizers at any cost.
ALL rules should have been covered at the captains meeting
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
the people who "screwed up" were not "local Mexican authorities" but...
the organizers for NOT informing the contestants WAY in advance of this requirment.
Fishermen that come great distances to participate in these events SHOULD be protected by the organizers at any cost.
ALL rules should have been covered at the captains meeting |
It doesn't matter who screwed up. I know that the same person who went to the compound of the tournament organizers was also selling tickets during
the dinner party friday night.
it doesn't matter. these rules are not new. rumor dismissed.
just because YOU as a resident can walk into the fishing license office, pay finanzas and get a license that doesn't mean that it is possible for
everyone. in fact I'm making a film about it in lieu of a written report which I was asked to submit to PESCA. i just feel I can communicate our
needs better.
also, just because YOU were never asked for your FM while out there doesn't mean that you never needed to have it. yes it is a rule just like you are
supposed to have vaild photo id along with your fishing license. ever know that? these are not new rules.
the tournament was a major event here. all the more reason for the officials to show their strength. if only tournament participants were to read
this link before fishing Loreto, or everyone for that matter~
http://bajabigfish.com/enforcement.html
also tournament organizers are not new to Loreto, they've been here since the stone age, fishing and had someone to help coordinate. a real estate
guy  not a fisherman  or woman  I digress...they more than 99% of anyone
doing something like this, shouldda known
the wrist bands just went up to 21 pesos, up a peso from previous months.
I would like to make an effort to keep the money from the writsbands IN LORETO. it goes to the feds now.
funny thing also is that the fishing license money paid online now also goes to the feds. if you pay at the finanzas office (state) it stays in BCS.
gotta get back to work now, full load today
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
......... But our word was good enough. Now it's not, and that's a change. ........ |
haven't yet heard the saying,
"las palabalas se van con el viento"
same goes for rhintransit's comment that the PESCA office told them "they didn't need writsbands"
believe me, everything is written down. Marine park and PESCA and PROFEPA are not used to or properely trained in tourism. they need to be. you
have to understand that.
chit, I never got an instruction book on doing business in Mexico either!
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my two cents:
As a long time visitor and a person who loves Loreto - I always work with local vendors (Pam - YOU ROCK, LADY - loved my panga captain, had a great
time) - and Dolphin Dive. I got my bracelet. Always do.
There are signs all over.
I arrived at my boat at 6 a.m. on Saturday, I was told there was no tournament. I verified the events described above (yes there was a late hour
visit, yes there were guns at the marina) by going to the compound - after fishing. Sadly, even though I had my first two fishies, we were told NOT
to go to the marina because "no tourno" - I learned that the problem was the $500 (mas o menos) that was demanded at a very late hour by the Mex
government. Bad political move, I agree, but...
My thoughts: I spents THOUSANDS of dollars to participate in that tournament. As did three of my friends. I even donated two rods and two reels.
Even a poor girl like me would have gladly paid a stupid $500.00 to maintain the fun, spirit and charm of the event - even if it hurt.
The bracelets could have been sold to another vendor. The bracelets could have been sold at the dinner.
I will not participate in another Fishin for the Mission tournament. I had nothing but love of Loreto and fun with my friends on my mind. Just
because I donate thousands of dollars a year to the LA Philaharmonic does NOT give me a right to free popcorn.
How many people were discouraged from fishing, didn't get paid, etc. over a measley $500.00 - my goodness. I would have paid it to keep things going
and happy. While I respect the right of the private individuals to boycott their own event, I would have done things differently myself - for the
sake of everyone else.
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O.K., so was there a tournament or not? Was it cancled or were there awards, trophys and prizes given? Who won? Or did everyone lose? ..........
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Russ
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flyfishinPam Jeeze, your page is really fun! Is the new Mac helpful? The slide show looks familiar. Good work and Good for Loreto. Fish On!
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