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n8nlee
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first report
I've been asking a lot of questions lately, so I thought I should contribute something to the board. Here's a story, mostly about
diving/spearfishing, that I wrote for some spearfishing forums.
Warning: very long
...While standing around in front of my neighbor's house drinking beer
like the characters do on the animated show 'Hank Hill' (I would be
Kahn the Laotian), one guy (Bill) mentioned that he had a little
house in baja sur. It took all of 3 minutes to decide on a trip for
the Memorial day weekend. One of the neighbors (he'd be Hank)
wanted to try spearfishing and he volunteered to drive, so we warmly
included him. I invited a recently out of work buddy (think
Boomhauer but not as easy to understand).
Uneventful albeit long drive but we get to the little place. Bill's
humble shack turned into a huge palapa with running water and
electricty that has a permanent 5th wheel under it. There was
enough room for a 30' boat after parking the truck and still had
space for a sitting area. Out came the industrial air movers but
they weren't really needed as the property sat high over the beach
and we had a constant breeze. Boomhauer couldn't sit any longer
(mostly because he had driven seven hours to get to my house and he
had to sit for almost twice that long in the cramped backseat of
Hank's truck. He gets his gear ready for a shore dive because the
diving birds and the bluewater just made him twitch and shake like a
crackhead with withdrawls being electricuted. His excitement and me
forgetting the conditioner caused him to rip one of his 3 suits, but
that didn't stop ol' Boomhauer from going. He comes back after a
hour or so and says he saw some 30# roosterfish as well as other
shallow species. We meet our guide for the next three days, have
dinner and go to sleep.
Our pangero comes too early for our tastes and send him home for
another hour. We finally meet him and launch. After some confusion
(Pangero took us to make bait for the day) we head off to the first
dive spot. Nothing spectacular here. We shoot some pargo, see some
cabrilla and snack on some scallops. We see birds diving in the
distance and decide to chase them. This proved to be fruitless as
the fish were constantly moving. Maybe we should've made more bait
and tried chumming them. After giving up on the bluewater stuff
(turned out to be big bonito) we anchor on a high spot about a mile
off an island. The water is really murky but I see 3 very nice YT
swim by quickly. In the murk and the shock of seeing them so
shallow I didn't get a shot off. I come up screaming at
Boomhauer "hey you redneck, dere feeesh here..." (read with a
Laotion accent). We end up with 6 YT (me with two and Boomhauer got
four). Here's the unhappy ending to the first day. I lost my 110cm
aimrite railgun with Omer reel. With the reel, the gun is not
entirely positive. I shot about a 40# YT and it looked like it was
dead. I leave my gun (was using a floatline)to get the fish and
just as I get to it, the sucker comes to life and takes off with me
in tow. It takes another 5 min. to subdue him. By the time I
remembered that I left my gun, the current had taken it. So if
anyone finds a 110cm aimrite and an Omer reel with pink line in the
Sea please let me know. We spend too much time helping the Pangero
filet fish. We vow to only shoot a few big fish the next day.
The pangero comes an hour later this day but it was still too early
for us. The poor guy goes home (4 houses away) for a half hour and
we get going by about 7am. We're going further out to another high
spot where he knows of large grouper and pargo. The ride out was
rough enough to pound the chit out of us...so Boomhauer and I suit
up and swim downcurrent to find a nice little cove in which to
fertilize the island. After completing some business we head out to look for fish.
We're in about 50' of water when he comes up
saying "big cabrilla!" I take a breath and head down. On the
bottom I'm looking toward his direction but don't see any fish. I turn to my right (deeper water) only to look into this ugly
face that's attached to this huge head. I guess he thought the same
of my face and decided to leave. I kick to follow but not able to
get him turned enough for a head shot. I kick harder with my gun
extended and that caused him him turn toward me. Though not a head shot I figure a solid
shot is better than no shot, so I pull the trigger and see my shaft
zing into it's mid section. I thought it was a pretty good shot,
but then as it pulled my float passed me I remember Boomhauer saying
that I should really shoot these grouper in the head because the
leverage aids in turning them to keep them out of holes. Well, so
much for plan A. My line stops running and I can't budge it, so I
tie the float off. Boomhauer comes over and after giving him a
couple of haulting descriptive sentences in between sucking air ( I
probably really sounded like a guy that spoke with a Laotion accent
at that moment), he goes down to scope things out. He comes up and tells me
that a big eel is going to town in the cave where my shooting line
is in. While he was down there a couple other grouper swam by to
check him out. Damn, I felt kinda bad then because my gut shot
grouper is preventing my buddy from getting one himself. After
about an hour and me sending another shaft through the fish's belly
(I'm a very consistent shot), Boomhauer goes down and works some
magic and brings my fish up. We both thought it looked about 80lbs
while in the water. Back at the boat, the pangero had some trouble
pulling it in and this is after I bled and gutted it while swimming
it back. My neighbor Hank, the pangero and I all tried to lift it
and only Hank was able to clear it's tail off the floor. The
pangero initially thought it was 60-70 kilos, and Hank who is new to
fishing/spearfishing said it definitely weighed more than his wife
who is ~140lbs. I'm happy to hear that but a little disturbed to
learn that my neighbor lifts his wife by her neck or collar. We
don't see anything at this spot but finish the day at the previous
day's YT spot for more YT and cabrilla in the mid to high teens.
We decided to leave at the end of day 3 instead of driving on
Monday, so we opted for a half day. Our pangero has learned from
the previous two days and doesn't come meet us until about 7:30am.
We head to a couple new spots but the water is just too lousy. My
legs didn't generate the same power and I was pretty tired from the
previous days. We had heard of dorado and seen jumping marlin but
we decided to hit the YT spot for some more. I spent most of my
time resting on a ledge over a drop off sniping steamer sized
cabrilla.
We head back, clean and pack up and leave before 3pm. Hank drives
the entire way and gets me home by about 4am. Boomhauer takes a nap
before taking the 10 hour drive home through the holiday traffic.
It was a great trip with a bunch of guys that shared the same
outlook and attitude. I'm lucky to have a dive buddy like Boomhauer
to sacrifice his opportunity at big fish to help me extract my twice
gut shot fish.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by n8nlee]
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Cypress
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n8nlee. Thanks for the report. Nice fish.
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Bajaboy
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Thanks for sharing your adventure. What part of BCS?
Zac
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Minnow
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Too many fish to filet, then you shoot that big old grouper for no other reason than to kill it. Gawd, I hate spear fishermen.
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Too many fish to filet, then you shoot that big old grouper for no other reason than to kill it. Gawd, I hate spear fishermen.
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Wow, that makes me feel kinda good.
While my buddy and I were diving, the pangero fished hook and line and caught about 2 dozen fish each day. He caught quite a few triggers which are
very difficult to filet. My buddy and I were tired of helping the pangero filet his little fish.
I shot 5 cabrilla, 3 pargo, 3 YT, and one gulf grouper for that entire trip. The pangero got about half the filets and the carcass of the bigger fish
for sopa. The filets I brought home were mostly given to non fishing friends. I brought home 1 zip lock bag of grouper and two bags of cabrilla
filets. The rest were given to neighbors and friends of the pangero.
I didn't explain to justify anything to you Minnow because I know it wouldn't change how you feel about spearfishermen. You seem set on hating
spearfishermen. I've met people like you. People who use blanket hate statements about other groups of people.
[Edited on 8-7-2007 by n8nlee]
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Minnow
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Let me modify my statement slightly. I hate spearfishers that kill so many more fish than they need, that they have to give them away.
Let me guess. You probably don't eat fish. If you did you would know any grouper over 25lbs or so, starts to taste like cardboard.
I could go on about my personal experiences with spearfishers, but my point would probably be lost on you. If you have not read "the last of the blue
water hunters", you need to. If you want your kids to be able to see a fish like that, other than in your picture, you might want to consider killing
only what YOU are going to eat. Let your friends get their own fish. As for the Panguero, he eats more fish than he probably wants to anyway.
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Let me modify my statement slightly. I hate spearfishers that kill so many more fish than they need, that they have to give them away.
Let me guess. You probably don't eat fish. If you did you would know any grouper over 25lbs or so, starts to taste like cardboard.
I could go on about my personal experiences with spearfishers, but my point would probably be lost on you. If you have not read "the last of the blue
water hunters", you need to. If you want your kids to be able to see a fish like that, other than in your picture, you might want to consider killing
only what YOU are going to eat. Let your friends get their own fish. As for the Panguero, he eats more fish than he probably wants to anyway.
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Oh, then you would hate me the most. I hunt for fun and for trophies. I have a personal standard of not shooting anything smaller than my last fish.
My fish progressively get bigger or I don't shoot them at all. What fish I do shoot and can't eat anymore, I give away.
So my 78 year old widowed neighbor with the 56 year old mentally handicapped neighbor should go get her own fish? How about the single mom around the
corner from them?
If you took a look at my picture, then you would see that I'm of Asian decent which means I eat parts of a fish that even a cat will pass up. You
ever eat sturgeon gizzard, fish liver, abalone guts? Those YT in the pictures on your link, did you eat the collars? Did you scrape the carcass for
tartar or to feed your dog?
Have you ever had smoked grouper? That grouper was incredible smoked. The pangero made some outrageous machaca tacos out of the meat by the stomach
and ribs. Do you go through the trouble of scraping the meat from that area and then make soup out of the carcass?
Blanket hate statements. I've met plenty of people like you. Some of those people hide behind sheets and pillow cases.
And yes, I've read Carlos' book. Have you ever speared a fish?
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I didn't hear minnow say anything about disliking people. Only what some people do, in your case, spear fish. He's allowed this opinion in a
civil world and, you're allowed to disagree. The Klan doesn't belong in this discussion.
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Minnow
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Dennis, don't waist your time. The picture, the whole story is a troll.
Good one mister Yee!
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I didn't hear minnow say anything about disliking people. Only what some people do, in your case, spear fish. He's allowed this opinion in a
civil world and, you're allowed to disagree. The Klan doesn't belong in this discussion. |
I'm not bringing them in, nor am I saying Minnow is a member. His statement: "Gawd I hate spear fishermen" just reminded me of all those blanket hate
statements made by the bigoted and ignorant.
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Well put minnow. The main thing I dislike is that they kill the best of the breeding stock. But thats just my opionion.
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I looked at your picture did not read your post and had no feeling except "that's one hell of a big fish...now you have played the race card and it is
something you will not be able to take back...Don't believe what inside you will let you save face anyway. There was no mention of racism...except
from you. Now that I have read your post...expect to get the same response from Most all Nomads....what you do is excessive and I don't give a rats
a** how you eat your fish...
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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I wont judge you for a fish I wouldn't have taken . Your choice and your right and your perception.
I appreciated your original post , but then you brought all the uneeded crap into the thread.
What really matters though, is that most people here don't really care if you're the fricken purple people eater, but you've made a big deal out of
your ethnicity and blatantly wear it as a big chip on your shoulder
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Minnow
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Why the F would anyone need to spearfish, when trolling is so effective?
Take a good look at the picture folks. thats not a panga, Not to mention the persons relationship with the fish.
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n8nlee
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Riiiiiiiiiight...
You two admitted to not reading my report, but is so certain that I'm playing the race card. Something tells me that you guys didn't read all that
carefully?
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Why the F would anyone need to spearfish, when trolling is so effective?
Take a good look at the picture folks. thats not a panga, Not to mention the persons relationship with the fish. |
That's why I posted it...so people would look.
Why troll? Why not just go to a market?
So what is the correct term for a local guide who rents his gringo neighbor's boat to take us spearfishing? Since I never said panga, only referring
to him as a pangero. I think most readers understood.
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Great photo n8nlee... That was some fish! It is interesting to hear how much of it you put to use, too! Most fisherman filet out the 'good stuff' and
the rest is trash or sea gull food!
Thanks for sharing... ignore the comments from those upset because they missed getting it first.
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uh, I may be wrong here, so you 'sportsmen' out there can correct me, but I thought that the combination of spearguns and dive tanks were illegal in
Mexican waters.
and that grouper should have been left to breed.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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David K
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He said: " ...I take a breath and head down."
That sounds like no dive tanks were used, to me...?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Great photo n8nlee... That was some fish! It is interesting to hear how much of it you put to use, too! Most fisherman filet out the 'good stuff' and
the rest is trash or sea gull food!
Thanks for sharing... ignore the comments from those upset because they missed getting it first. |
You, as you prove once again, are a *****. Your desire to make a smart comment has proven that --oh yeah, you're a *******. And thinking that someone
would make a comment like that out of envy just puts in doubt your motivation for doing things.
Killing a fish like that is a crime. That's a 30-40 year old fish, how many of those do you think there are?
The values of killing only something bigger than the last one - for trophies - are abysmal. Folks who think like that shouldn't be allowed in the
water - with a gun, a line, or anything else.
But, that's just my IMHO.
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