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Santiago
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Question for Trailer/towing pros
Ok hear me out on this:
Boat + motor + gear about 1850 pounds.
Single axle EZloader with P185X13 tires.
After many miles of watching my outside tire on or even outside of the white line and knowing the likely result of dropping the outside tire off the
pavement I have come up with the following:
Weld a spindle to the inside of the frame, just behind the axle and mount a tire that would free wheel but act as a saftey wheel incase the outside
tire does go off. The whole point would be to let this tire keep the trailer 'on the road' and allow me to slow down until I could get the outside
tire back on the pavement. I got up enough courage to take this idea to my local trailer shop and they didn't throw me out - in fact we ended up with
all the employees gathered round with everybody talking, drawing and arguing until we finally solved everyone's objections. Cost about $500.
Is this doable or do I need to find another trailer shop?
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Hook
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I have had the scenario that you describe happen to me and its not the out of control scene that you might think. Yeah, the tire was destroyed and the
rim was pretty bent but I was able to ease off the highway and change it. Replaced the tire and had the rim bent back at the next town.
I dont think I would spend 500 on it. Even with the secondary wheel, that first tire is gonna be toast if the pavement edge in severe.
Are they bracing the spindle at all or just welding it to the top of the frame or what?
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Diver
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I would definitely consider changing over to at least 14" if not 15' tires.
The little ones will hit the potholes much harder. If you're looking for a safely device, consider welding on a skid plate of sorts that guards your
shock mount etc.
If you do want to mount a 'wheel' I would use a small hard wheel on a short spindle mounted within an angled skid plate or bar similar to those on the
back of camp trailers.
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jerry
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put 6-8-10ply tires on it they wont shread trailer tires are the worst tires i have ever run
your extra tires or a skid plate might help
i just drive in the center of my lane and dont worry about it i driven 102 wide moterhomes 36 ft long no problem just gotta stay in the middell and
dont freak
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
If you're looking for a safely device, consider welding on a skid plate of sorts that guards your shock mount etc.
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You have shocks on your boat trailer?
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Diver
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OK springs.
I did have shocks on the trailer for my 26 footer.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
put 6-8-10ply tires on it they wont shread trailer tires are the worst tires i have ever run
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Bad idea! Trailer (ST) bias ply are made that way for a reason - the stiffer sidewall minimizes sway.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Are they bracing the spindle at all or just welding it to the top of the frame or what? |
This is a critical question. If the answer is no, you may have a catastrophic failure.
I would not spend the money. Just don't drive off the road. 
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Bob and Susan
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just get new tires even if 13 inch
you are ok with the weight you are pulling
drive slow
stay in the middle unless a car is comming
slow way down if you have trouble with trucks
sometimes i almost stop if trucks seens too close
if you drive slow you won't fall off the road with an 1850 pound boat and trailer
just have fun and relax
the road is not as bad as ten years ago
there's very few pot holes now on mex1
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jerry
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ROBERTO they use radial tires on trailers all the time up to 12 ply
the biasply tires are old fasion heat up and blow out
the radials give a smooth ride and dont heat up
by increasing the size of the wheel you will also reduce the speed of the bearings thous KEEPING COOLER and lasting longer
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Bob and Susan
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jerry you're right but it's an 1850 pound (fully loaded) Single axle EZloader...
no sweat if the tires are good
no changes required
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Larger tires with raise the center of gravity=more load on the sidewall, raise the trailer requiring deeper water at the launching ramp.
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jerry
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i agree but if hes gona buy tires might as well get heavy ply so they dont shread
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Bob and Susan
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the WHOLE thing weighs 1850 pounds LOADED
regular radials will do the trick
the roads a good
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I have had the scenario that you describe happen to me and its not the out of control scene that you might think. Yeah, the tire was destroyed and the
rim was pretty bent but I was able to ease off the highway and change it. Replaced the tire and had the rim bent back at the next town.
I dont think I would spend 500 on it. Even with the secondary wheel, that first tire is gonna be toast if the pavement edge in severe.
Are they bracing the spindle at all or just welding it to the top of the frame or what? |
Hook,
I think you were lucky to have been on a stretch of road where you could "ease it off the highway". Unfortunately, the rusted shell of vehicles and
many crosses and monuments are a testament to those who weren't so lucky. I do agree that if you can make a plan before an emergency arises, to ease
it off the road, you have a better chance.....if it is possible. Most people panic and overcorrect, thus overturning.
Santiago,
I think the concept is great. I am in no way an expert on how that would be engineered. Get a consensus from mechanics.
If you do decide to go with the inside wheel, test it out for us and report. 
If you survive, patent it and make a fortune. You could go around looking like this guy >>>>>>>>>
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
ROBERTO they use radial tires on trailers all the time up to 12 ply
the biasply tires are old fasion heat up and blow out
the radials give a smooth ride and dont heat up
by increasing the size of the wheel you will also reduce the speed of the bearings thous KEEPING COOLER and lasting longer |
BS. My trailer + boat weigh close to 13,000 lbs. Triple axle. I run trailer (ST-bias ply) tires. I've towed up and down the peninsula, and on the
mainland for thousands of miles.
That sais, it's true that the stiff sidewall only helps on heavier weights, and is probably not a factor in this case - I hadn't noticed the weight in
the original post.
[Edited on 9-22-2007 by Roberto]
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jerry
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Roberto my brothers boat weighs 16000 lb 31 ft with 10 and a half foot beam and we to have towed it all over Canada Washington Oregon California
Arziona main land Mexico and Baja for 10s of thousands of miles 3 axel trailer and the only time we blew tires were new bias
plus many other trailers and fifthwheels with no radial tire problems
if you have swaying problems you need more tounge wieght
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Roberto
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Jerry - I guess your (brother's) ding-a-ling is bigger than mine.
The point is that you are wrong. ST tires are designed for a specific purpose, and do NOT shred "just because". Radial tires can work, but they are
not needed on trailers (the additional flex gives more traction, but that is not necessary on non-drive wheels), and DO increase sway. There are ways
around that, of course. Stating that "you should use ST tires because they will shred" is absurd. I, and many others, are proof of that. Now, can we
get back to the original programming?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Santiago, how wide is your trailer?....@ 1850 lbs total weight I can't imagine it is any wider than your tow vehicle, although I am wrong often. I
wouldn't even worry about it. The whole road to your place is not even that narrow anymore and it seems like shoulders are getting added all the time.
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You may be wrong often, but you get to the core of the question. Of course, you are right. I came to this thread peeed off about a really stupid
comment on another thread.
All this falls apart if he is towing this this with a compact car (or an Isuzu Amigo)  .
[Edited on 9-22-2007 by Roberto]
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Santiago,
Simple solution. Just let your wife drive.
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