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flyfishinPam
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Loreto's Beaches are quickly becoming privitized
Here is an article in the local newspaper:
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n445603.htm
tha above discusses beach access closures in general by the developers and private owners. If you understand Spanish many of the comments made in
this piece are truly sad.
Here is another one on the recent closure of the beach on the north side of town:
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n442728.htm
this one discusses this beach closure in town by FONATUR´S entity, SINGLAR SA de CV and here's a brief discussion of that one:
This specific beach closure happened within this week:
Singlar SA de CV (the same that´s in charge of Puerto Escondido) has acquired and fenced off a large portion of the beach on the north end of town.
The southern boundry of the fence is at the Northern end of the La Pinta Hotel property. This is the same beach that was used by us to launch our
boats when APIBCS closed down the lanuchramp. The fence´s western border is the E side of the access road that runs between the beach and many of the
houses that can be seen from the water. These WERE beachfront homes and properties now their access is completely cut off, and they have to look at an
ugly fence reminiscent of a prison. The North end of the fence is where the La Negrita is. There is now only ONE access to the beach and obviously
cars can no longer access the beach here.
My husband hung out with a friend of ours who was born here of parents whose family has been here for hundreds of years and took him there... His
words were "yesterday I went there to drink a beer in the shade, today we cannot go there anymore". This now has reduced public accessable beaches to:
*the beach on the malecon from La Pinta to Hotel Oasis
*a few remaining accesspoints south of colonia Zaragoza which will eventually be sold and fenced off too
Now one needs to have a boat to access beaches. The locals can no lnger dive for clams, something they've been doing for centuries.
Access to beaches from a car is limited andm this is the way most local people access THEIR beaches. North of La Negrita the new houses are directly
on the beach their properties are fenced off blocking access and there is no car access anywhere. North of those homes the beaches are being fenced
off at an alarming rate. South of Loreto Bay all beaches are fenced off until you get to Ligui. Ensenada Blanca will soon also be inaccessable. One
literally will need a boat to access Loreto´s beaches in the very near future.
Your days of camping on the beach are over, so our ours. Remember it is against this country's constitution to restrict public access to beaches.
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Slowmad
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Really disturbing.
The sweet spots will go first.
Then the check-off destinations will feel the pressure.
It happens so fast.
The Norte corridor, Cabo, San Jose, and the East Cape were the canaries in the coal mine.
Solutions?
The Nature Conservancy and WiLDCOAST are actively engaged in land trusts and conservation easements in Baja. These preserve wilderness while providing
sustainable opportunities for local inhabitants.
Can they outpace wholesale wilderness eradication?
Maybe not.
But I'll tell you this: doing nothing has predictable results.
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MrBillM
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No Worries, Mate !
If it is against the Mexican Constitution then, without a doubt, the Legal System will come to the correct solution and protect the rights of citizens
against abuse by Evil Big Business interests.
That has ALWAYS been the history of the Mexican Legal System, RIGHT ?
All will work out for the best, I'm sure.
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Dave
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Where do it say that?
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Remember it is against this country's constitution to restrict public access to beaches. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Remember it is against this country's constitution to restrict public access to beaches. |
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I cant answer the WHERE of that, Dave, but I see it often quoted on the internet that there are SUPPOSED to be public accesses to the federal zone
every 400 meters. Seems a little to esotheric to be in the actual Constitution, though.
It is not often adhered to nor enforced in my experiences.
Maybe Ferna has an online link to the Mexican Constitution and can point it out.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
where does it say that?
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Remember it is against this country's constitution to restrict public access to beaches. |
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articulo 27
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Pam, seems you are bummed about the Beach thing, and the Mexican governments total lack of commitment to the constitution. However, you continue on
an ongoing basis to break the following.
Article 33. Foreigners are those who do not possess the qualifications set forth in Article 30. They are entitled to the guarantees granted by Chapter
I, Title I, of the present Constitution; but the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem
inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action.
Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.
What is your justification? Do you think it might effect your citizenship application? Doesn't following the rule of law begin at home? Perhaps you
are doing what you are doing because you are above the law. You certainly come off as you posess the RIGHT to be political. I just hope the wrong
person does not take offence.
[Edited on 9-10-2007 by Minnow]
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Minnow
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I just read all of article 27. I only see beaches mentioned in one place in it is in relation to foreigners.
Please enlighten me.
[Edited on 9-10-2007 by Minnow]
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edinnopolo
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| Quote: | What is your justification? Do you think it might effect your citizenship application? Doesn't following the rule of law begin at home? Perhaps you
are doing what you are doing because you are above the law. You certainly come off as you posess the RIGHT to be political. I just hope the wrong
person does not take offence.
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Minnow,
What happened ? You got off your meds ? Or maybe too much Teguila ?
Do you know ( must after you read your own post )
how much you sound like a total idiot ?
Pam just states the obvious, that we who live here are upset with the taking away of access to "our" beaches, and that includes Mexican folks.
Blessed be the flexible for they shall not bend out of shape.
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Ed. I've heard for years that its in the Mexican Constitution that you have to have beach access. I've read article 27 in the 1917 and 2002 of the
constitution and I don't find anything that says that. I understand your concern but you have to back it up with a law, if your to try to do
something about it.
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Minnow
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Ed, I make it my business to expose hypocrisy. Pams position it hypocritical. Not to mention not based in fact. We are talking property rights
here, not what the eco's think should be done.
Here is my perspective. Someone bought some property on or near the beach. The locals used to go there and get drunk. Now they have to get drunk
somewhere else. The new property owner no longer wants to clean up all the trash from the people getting drunk, or wants anything in the way of
liability from their presence. Ever hear of squatters rights in Mexico, Ed? Am I missing something?
Along comes a gringo, who marries a Mexican, who used to get drunk on the previously mentioned piece of beach. She has so little regard for the
aforementioned Mexicans, that they cannot defend themselves, and so forth. That she has to rant on and on to anybody what will listen about how
screwed up the foreign country, and town, is that she chose to live in.
All this does is say to me, what I knew long ago by the way, Loreto Sucks! I would rather go to Cabo.
Here is the kicker Ed. She is risking her livelyhood, and existence by doing what she is doing. She wants others to operate by a fictional set of
rules, but when presented with actual facts she only has you to back her up, and people like you. Now, Amigo, who needs to lay off the tequila.
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edinnopolo
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Minnow,
Spoken like a true gringo.
You must have friends in Malibu, one of the many ocean front places where the rich hog the beaches for themselves and the hell with rest of the
populace.
One of the reasons people move here is to get away from this kind of discrimination.
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edinnopolo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Ed. I've heard for years that its in the Mexican Constitution that you have to have beach access. I've read article 27 in the 1917 and 2002 of the
constitution and I don't find anything that says that. I understand your concern but you have to back it up with a law, if your to try to do
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Comitan,
It's not my intention at all to do something about it. I can go to any beach by boat which is not the case for many Mexican people.
The reason for my post was to answer the totally unwarranted attack on Pam by Minnow.
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Minnow
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Ed, in difference to your obviously limited intellect. I will write it again. Hypocrisy needs to be exposed. I make it my business. How can people
write things, with no basis in fact, and expect people to find them credible. That is people other than you Ed. Prove me wrong. Show me where is
says in Article 27 that Mexicans are guaranteed access to all beaches. Show me where Pam has the legal right to put herself in the middle of these
arguments. I do believe her that Loreto Sucks though. She has proven that point. Hmmmm, if I could only make it from Mulege to La Paz without
stopping in Loreto. Wait, I can. HAHAHA. I guess I should be saying, Thank you Pam.
Somehow, I am reminded of the 500,000 illegals marching through the streets of LA waving Mexican flags.
[Edited on 10-10-2007 by Minnow]
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djh
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IS there possibly a way...?
Minnow, Is there a way that you can possibly express your view without personal attacks and insults?
"Ed, in difference to your obviously limited intellect.." (Minnow)
"Ed, I make it my business to expose hypocrisy." (Minnow)
"Along comes a gringo, who marries a Mexican, who used to get drunk on the previously mentioned piece of beach..... she has to rant on and on to
anybody what will listen about how screwed up the foreign country, and town, is that she chose to live in. " (Minnow)
etc.
Do you think you fulfill your true potential via marginalizing, minimizing, or insulting others who do not share your view on a topic?
I read Pam's post as an expressed concern for a place that she loves and calls home ~ not as some illegal political involvement... and what anyone
can do about some THING depends alot on how deeply they feel about that thing ~ and other factors, of course.
Be Careful.... All the negativity and name calling isn't good for you...
djh
[Edited on 10-10-2007 by djh]
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Hook
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Tom, show me where Pam is being hypocritical in bringing this up? What past stance has she taken that is anti-beach access?
Show me where she has stood for foreigners and Mexicans rolling over and playing dead in the face of other foreigners buying up large tracts of land
and excluding everyone?
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Oh come on..this is just starting to get good. Pam writes something and ignites an incendiary rage by Minnow and Ed. You guys are worried about meds
and tequila? Hell...take more!!
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That's happening down here, too. Rich foreigners buy large beautiful public beaches, bribe the authorities and get special dispensations. It sucks!
When we moved to Todos Santos just one year ago, we had no idea that this sort of corruption and destruction by greed was going to get here so fast!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by amir
That's happening down here, too. Rich foreigners buy large beautiful public beaches, bribe the authorities and get special dispensations. It sucks!
When we moved to Todos Santos just one year ago, we had no idea that this sort of corruption and destruction by greed was going to get here so fast!
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Sorry to say, they've been there all along Amir. Here, there, everywhere. Hold on to Asuncion carefully amigos. Look what #1 did to Seattle!
What this about privately owned islands? Did they not say that they are federally owned?
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Wow, I drank beer on that beach with the local pangeros. I have driven my truck all the way from the panga beach to the Pink House(old brothel).
It was a simple pleasure that I will truly miss. I can imagine the locals are hurt by the loss.
We never left the bottles because of the deposit so I don't think there was much litter.
I'm going to miss Baja when it's gone.
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