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Slowmad
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Baja Crime Taking a Toll
From Gene Kira's www.mexfish.com report:
MEXICO: Mike Steele, reporting as acting president of the 50-member San Diego Fishing Club, Home of the Outcasts, said club members would suspend
their overland trips to fish northern Baja California locations due to concerns about personal security. "None of our club members will be traveling
in the near future to Ensenada, Castro's, Camalu, San Quintin, or Bahia de los Angeles until Mexico can assure they have their security under
control," Steele said. "We have already canceled several trips and have postponed any future trips indefinitely until we can be assured of safe
travel."
MEXICO: Other Baja anglers reported decisions to stop driving in Mexico due to crime and safety concerns. One said, "No more driving the Baja
peninsula anymore. Very sad. Baja will have to wait until the Mexican government cleans up the crime problems."
[Edited on 11-26-2007 by Slowmad]
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DENNIS
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If reactions such as this get no response, nothing will. It has to take on the snowball effect.
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Hook
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This is good news. Now the operators of resorts in these areas will feel the pinch and will begin talking to their representatives; both governmental
and business.
What effect it will have remains to be seen. But it's a good start.
I am wondering if anyone has been going to some of the benchmarks of tourism in northern Baja; specifically La Fonda, Puerto Nuevo, etc. Anyone notice
a downturn in activity on the weekends over the last couple months?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
This is good news. Now the operators of resorts in these areas will feel the pinch and will begin talking to their representatives; both governmental
and business.
What effect it will have remains to be seen. But it's a good start.
I am wondering if anyone has been going to some of the benchmarks of tourism in northern Baja; specifically La Fonda, Puerto Nuevo, etc. Anyone notice
a downturn in activity on the weekends over the last couple months? |
Well if it has not yet...it won't be long now. This is RV.net forum and they are paying attention...it won't stop veterans Baja People, but first
timers can get in trouble and not know it. Most will think hard about the worth of Baja at this time. All first timers should wait until some REAL
protection is put into place by the Mexican Gov.
Now I say "Just don't stop in Baja Norte" for the seasoned Baja person...and "Just don't Go to Baja" to the New
travelers...
Albert G
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losfrailes
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if the traffic at San Ysidro Sunday night is any indication, nothing is going to change.
4 hours to get across.
This refusal to come to baja should be brought to the immediate attention of someone in Mexico with some authority. I doubt that the operators of any
kind of business in the areas mentioned would notice the loss of business, at least not fast enough.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by losfrailes
if the traffic at San Ysidro Sunday night is any indication, nothing is going to change.
4 hours to get across.
This refusal to come to baja should be brought to the immediate attention of someone in Mexico with some authority. I doubt that the operators of any
kind of business in the areas mentioned would notice the loss of business, at least not fast enough. |
Yes...you may be right...for now. This is the most media exposure and board and clubs notice in a very long time(don't know how long)
Plus border delay on a major holiday weekend...just does not say much.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
This is good news. Now the operators of resorts in these areas will feel the pinch and will begin talking to their representatives; both governmental
and business.
What effect it will have remains to be seen. But it's a good start.
I am wondering if anyone has been going to some of the benchmarks of tourism in northern Baja; specifically La Fonda, Puerto Nuevo, etc. Anyone notice
a downturn in activity on the weekends over the last couple months? |
I dont know about the rest of the
country but I was in Algodones a few days ago and a friend of mine told me everyone is singing the blues.
This is normally the busiest part of the year and it was slower than I have ever seen it.
Twice as many hustlers practically draggin em to the Pharmacias and Dentistas, just not enough to go around.
Another really strange thing was the presence of the Tourist Police, all over the place, normally only a scattered few.
[Edited on 11-26-2007 by Bajajack]
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Hook
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So, do the Tourist Police prey on the perps who prey on the tourists? Or do they prey on the Tourists?
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They operate under a different set of rules and since their on foot I dont think they have the opportunities as the other agencies.
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Are these private or hotel cops?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by losfrailes
if the traffic at San Ysidro Sunday night is any indication, nothing is going to change.
4 hours to get across. |
That's going north....A good sign. Get out of Mexico before it all comes to an end.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Yes...you may be right...for now. This is the most media exposure and board and clubs notice in a very long time(don't know how long)
Plus border delay on a major holiday weekend...just does not say much. |
Define "very long time". You mean since you started going to baja a couple of years ago, or when you started posting on this board, a couple of years
ago. You newbies kill me.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Are these private or hotel cops? |
They are special Mexicali Police. (not private)
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Tourist Police operate in all the border towns and are under the direction of the Mexican Tourism Dept.
Their sole purpose is to give directions and mediate any problems or disputes a Tourist may have.
You cant miss em, Black Berets, Black Uniforms and Combat Boots, except for one I saw last week, he was wearing white tennis shoes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
Tourist Police operate in all the border towns and are under the direction of the Mexican Tourism Dept.
Their sole purpose is to give directions and mediate any problems or disputes a Tourist may have.
You cant miss em, Black Berets, Black Uniforms and Combat Boots, except for one I saw last week, he was wearing white tennis shoes.
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Sounds like policia trainees to me. Do they have weapons? I don't mean a hairbrush in a holster such as I have seen. Do they have guns to use in
wasteing away an armed robber?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
Tourist Police operate in all the border towns and are under the direction of the Mexican Tourism Dept.
Their sole purpose is to give directions and mediate any problems or disputes a Tourist may have.
You cant miss em, Black Berets, Black Uniforms and Combat Boots, except for one I saw last week, he was wearing white tennis shoes.
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Sounds like policia trainees to me. Do they have weapons? I don't mean a hairbrush in a holster such as I have seen. Do they have guns to use in
wasteing away an armed robber? |
Yes they have the standard joe cool, deputy dog issue, sam browne belts.
Like most mex cop's their sidearms are'nt standardized, I've seen 9mm Hi caps, Sig's and Glock's and some old & new 45 ACP with lot's of extra
pouches along with their favorite Polygraph tool, the large Pepper Spray cannister.
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Policia Turistica are good guys who fight against corruption of state policia y ministerial. Normally in BCS they wear white and are on the
waterfront.
All cops have to buy their weapons and bullets and holsters. It would be be nice to give a holster and any support possible to policia turisticas,
they are your friends and you need to keep their phone numbers/names handy for when you get hassled by the other corruptadas policia guys.
The only one so far I've seen pull a gun on robbers and chase them was the Policia Turista. They really are good people in La Paz. Supportar la
Turista Policia, hooray.
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by gnukid:
"All cops have to buy their weapons and bullets and holsters"
Really???...In LaPaz or all of Baja???.....interesting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
by gnukid:
"All cops have to buy their weapons and bullets and holsters"
Really???...In LaPaz or all of Baja???.....interesting. |
It must be that way in Ensenada as well. Around the police station you can see any number of different uniforms as though each shopped from a
catalog. Lots of different SWAT looking stuff.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
This is good news. Now the operators of resorts in these areas will feel the pinch and will begin talking to their representatives; both governmental
and business.
What effect it will have remains to be seen. But it's a good start.
I am wondering if anyone has been going to some of the benchmarks of tourism in northern Baja; specifically La Fonda, Puerto Nuevo, etc. Anyone notice
a downturn in activity on the weekends over the last couple months? |
Well if it has not yet...it won't be long now. This is RV.net forum and they are paying attention...it won't stop veterans Baja People, but first
timers can get in trouble and not know it. Most will think hard about the worth of Baja at this time. All first timers should wait until some REAL
protection is put into place by the Mexican Gov.
Now I say "Just don't stop in Baja Norte" for the seasoned Baja person...and "Just don't Go to Baja" to the New
travelers... |
As a 55 year vet of going to Baja, I can tell you Al that it DOES EFFECT ME, and I will not be going to Baja until I see some positive action taken to
curtail this crazy crime spree.
barry
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