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castaway$
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Pound for Pound
The wife and I got into a little argument over the toughest fighting fish pound for pound, I said Dorado she said Trigger fish? I gotta admit the
little buggers fight on light tackle but maybe I need to look for a tougher fishing partner! Don't tell her I posted this.
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Sallysouth
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I hate catching Trigers. Pain in the but, boring, and IMHO, yukky to eat.Right there with ya Whistler!Some folks think they are good Cei vce.Tough,
but thats just my HO
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tunaeater
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I will have to go with Bonita
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Bonita the Yellowtail
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jurels as far as my arms say.
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I had the good fortune to go on a trip out of San Diego 1.5 day party fishing boat. We go on top of A herd of bluefin. The smallest ones were 50 lbs
and a few over 100.
I caught 3. 2@65 lbs and 1@75 lbs.
I caught the 1st 2 on a 1 speed 50 lbs rig. I broke the reel handle so I caught the last one on 30 lbs line.
I was done fishing after that even though the bite was still on. My arms were dead.
Bluefin are tough. I think a tuna has a couple more runs in him than a yellowtail.
It would be hard to imagine how hard a 75 lb jurel would fight. Especially if he could see the bottom.
[Edited on 11-30-2007 by fishbuck]
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Triggerfish are really fighters. Ladyfish, for their size, put up a good
fight.
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In terms of Baja fish, there is no question about the pulling power of the yellowtail who lives on the reef. The yellowtail that live on the pacific
side are commonly landed with lighter lines and while they can swim fast, they do not have the toe-to-toe pulling power of reef dwelling yellowtail.
This year on the north end of San Marcos Island, a larger sized fish has moved in and all of the knowledgeable fisherman have gone to either 60 or80
lb line and are still only managing to land a percentage of the fish that take a live bait very near the bottom and this is happening with drags that
measure 20 to 45 lbs. When we put a newbie on a fish, they envariably comment that the fish has to be close to 75 lbs even if they have had a lot of
long range fishing experience.
In the same vein, large rock dwelling pargo and probably close if not actually a little stronger and when they hit a surface bait, very few fish are
actually landed before they put you in the rocks.
Tuna, which pull very hard are an entirely different story and they usually are landed by wearing them down since they are caught in deeper water,
then line capacity allows you to slowly wear the fish down while operating on relatively lower drag settings. A 30 lb tuna simply does not have the
pulling power of a 30 lb yellowtail even though they do last a lot longer and pull for a much longer period of time.
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baitcast
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Always a fun ?
Not all tuna,s are alike imo the bluefin is a breed apart a freight train with fins.
How about a Toro,think a 30# never say die bonita
Or a 10# ladyfish on light stuff,a big favorite of mine,its just boils down to what qualities you are looking for in a fish.
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There must not be any Pez Fuerte where you people fish. The first couple of runs of a big amberjack will shiver your timbers. Tuna blood is 85º, a
lot warmer than most game/food fish so they are undoubtably among the quickest/strongest. I'm also happy just to run into a big school of Toros, Jack
Cravelle for power and fun. It's all good.
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Fight aside, I guess I'm strange (no surprise there) but I actually prefer Triggers for eating, either in ceviche or pan-fried filets. I enjoy the
"meatiness" of the consistency. The big deal every year here at the top end of the Cortez is Corvina or "Curbina" and the El Golfo pangueros haul in
tons while the run is on. I'm just not that crazy about it- too mushy. BTW, our cat is of the same opinion; indifferent to Corvina, turns up her
nose at canned Tuna or Salmon but goes ape over chopped raw "Cochito".
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backninedan
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Pound for pound Triggers. They are also my favorite fish to eat.
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For me it's all relative to the weight of the rod. I have been faught to a standstill by a ten pound Kamloops on my five weight fly rod. Ditto for a
twenty pound steelhead that did headstands and summersaults. The 68 pound bull dorado I landed faught harder than the 263 lb blue marlin that I caught
in Barre de Navidad. The fifty pound yellow tail I landed with Juan in Asuncion faught well, powerful and sulky like a big king salmon, nearly spooled
me out with it's explosive runs, Juan had to back the boat up to the fish to keep me from spooling out on my medium weight rod with 50 lb test mono.
For me one of the gamier fish is the shad on light tackle. They are shaped like a tarpon and will get sideways to you in the current and shake their
head as vehamently as the high school chear leader I asked out in my freshman year.
Like Osprey says, it's all good! Keep your tip up!
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Don Alley
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I think maybe the local barrilete, or maybe bonito. Or yellowtail, or dog snappers. Or all the jack family fish. Or roosterfish.
The hardest I've pulled is on yellowtail, but if I had to keep a 30lb dorado, or a sailfish, from pulling 30 feet of line to rock me then they might
pull hard too. Then there is the Baja Mystery Fish, you know, the one that hits and and is gone before you can figure out what it was.
Triggerfish? Maybe, but they're so small. Maybe if I got on a 25-30 lb trigger they'd rank with the yellowtail.
To elaborate on Skipjack's thoughts on yellowtail, I believe the all tackle record was caught on Baja's west coast on a long range San Diego boat, and
weighed over 100 lbs. It was caught on 30 lb line!
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I bet my Uncle Fish (That's what everybody called him) could top the light line record if a category for this existed- I was 11 yrs old and we were
fishing for Snook at the inlet that separates Sannibel and Captiva islands off Ft. Myers, FL. with spinning rods with maybe 10# line. My uncle hooked
a ladyfish and was reeling it in when a big gator glommed onto it. I can't remember how big the gator was but I'm pretty sure it was full-grown.
Anyway, neither the gator nor Uncle Fish would let go. It took him more than half an hour but he finally "landed" the gator on the beach. We looked
around trying to find someone with a camera without luck, but several tourists saw it. Gators were protected back then and there really wasn't
anything practical to do about it but reluctantly cut the line. The gator swallowed the fish, hook and all and went back in the water. BTW, those
Snook were great fun to catch with beautiful leaps etc.
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baitcast
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The whole jack family as a group are something else,I ran into the travally I think at Enewetok atoll,they weren,t all that big we could not handle
those things with heavy hand lines,the hooks would always straighten out so I lined out three side by side and wired the shanks together,but when we
would one close something would always eat him
But then he is a jack also,amagine a 20# or 30# trigger
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castaway$
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I agree that YT's probably are numero uno for pull. Yellowfin also pull well with burning speed on the first run. I picked Dorado because I really
like the acrobatics and they can be very challenging on light gear. As far as eating goes for me it's Wahoo and Cabrilla, Both make great BBQ or
taco's.
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Skipjack Joe
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Jack Crevalle gets my vote. And I've pulled plenty of yellowtails off submerged reefs.
Trevally and Crevalle are virtually the same fish, just bigger. The same broadside power generated by swimming at right angles to the fishermen.
[Edited on 11-30-2007 by Skipjack Joe]
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I'm with Osprey and
Pescador. The reef yellowtail are indeed a world apart in the fight that they put up. Just got a 40 pounder in Asuncion and it was quite a battle.
I used to fish a lot of Marlin out of the East Cape and was always surprised and impressed by the fight that the Jack Cravel or Pez Fuerte (hence its
name?) would put up.
They were never very large, and always caught while trolling
for bill fish, but boy they sure put on a few long and strong rod bending runs.
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I think what it boils down to is if you see a forked tail just figure he,s a tough dude
Would love to hook a amberjack sometime though.
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