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Petroglyps near Guadalupe Canyon
Does any one have the way points for for the petroglyps near the Guadalupe Canyon. Went there last year to the Hot Springs. Drove around the canyon
looking for petroglys in the caves there. Plan to go back again this year, and would like to see the petroglyps.. Just need waypoints for my GPS
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David K
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Neal Johns mentioned petros in the area in this post: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=21323#pid1903...
1-21-08 update: Went to the canyon and photographed the petros... road directions and GPS included... Go here: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=29358
Here's one of the pics...
[Edited on 1-22-2008 by David K]
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A few come to mind
do not have waypoints,sorry, the best way to go is to ask Arturo son Rigo to take you for a small fee, He will guide you to the petro's.here is a
couple of my pix.
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pix#2 this is close to the entrance to the canyon..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Most of the really good stuff is not in Guadalupe Canyon, although there are some petros on the South side of the approach into the canyon behind the
first small grove of palms. As you exit the campground on the right side about a quarter mile off the main road.
The best stuff is about eight miles South of the canyon in a small box canyon known as Rattlesnake Canyon. It would be best to have Rigo guide you as
the approach is difficult to find and there is some hiking to do when you get there.
Virtually every canyon and wash on the Eastern escarpment of the Sierra Juarez with access to the pine forests above and the desert below, have
significant evidence of human activity. Some of it is quite old and very interesting. I have found that the best stuff is not in the well-travelled
areas, but off the beaten path in side canyons, washes and open badlands well away from the obvious spots.
My wife and I have hiked extensively both to the North and South of Guadalupe Canyon and found granaries, petros, piles of small animal and bird
bones, evidence of cooking fires, metates, arrowheads, stone tools and wonderful pottery.
Due to the last 20 years of increasing human activity - and some really stupid people, very few pristine sites remain. With some luck and persistence
there are still some very interesting locations to be happened upon, but mostly tire tracks, trash and broken glass. Canyons Alomar, Palomar and
Isabel have hundreds of small sites with evidence of early natives and miles of isolated hiking. It is best to park and hike to find them. Be very
cautious of trespassing on private property and be wary of vehicle vandalism and theft. It's just not the same as it was several years ago...
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Si - the less said about the locations, especially in a public forum on the internet, about these sites the better they can be protected.
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Wilderone------that is true, but then few will ever see them. So, we are to be satisfied to "Just Know" that they are out there? without ever seeing
them?? Maybe so, but personally I think that is a shame.
All that HotSchott says is so true. I first started hiking those canyons in 1958, and we found lots of sites and artifacts. All were left in place,
but it sure was neat just looking at them. Unfortunately, Tropical Storm Kathleen, in 1976, washed out completely some of the ancient sites on the
canyon terraces and benches in those canyons. Apparently Kathleen was the Mother of all storms, destroying sites that were hundreds of years old.
Still, there are some sites left undisturbed, but they are hard to find and in unusual places. The Alomar, Palomar, Isabel complex is one of the
richest, as HotSchott says, and some are only 100's of yards away from where you can drive too, or at least you used to be able to drive too. I have
not been in that area for 23 years, so who knows what it is like now. When I lived in El Centro my son and I spent many weeks hiking and driving all
over the Sierra Juarez front, exploring almost all the canyons from the Border down to Palomar and Isabel Canyons, but no further south. What a great
area.
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In December, 2005 we camped with Mr. and Mrs. Hotschott and took a ride out to the entrance of the canyon.
The photos were posted on Nomad, but disappeared when Doug changed servers.
Here's another look...
The first palms at the mouth of Guadalupe canyon, as seen from the road:
[Edited on 1-7-2008 by David K]
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Lots of wind erosion...
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David-----the pic is the entrance to what canyon?
Rattlesnake???
barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
David-----the pic is the entrance to what canyon?
Rattlesnake???
barry |
Sorry, Guadalupe... I edited the first caption...
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Pottery, next to my knee...
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more... it's all over... mostly small pieces.
Hotschott said that the Indians had a lookout post at the canyon entrance. The pottery contained water or food for them as they were on duty at the
lookout.
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Of course, getting to Guadalupe Canyon means driving 25 miles on the dry lake bed + 8 miles up to the campos, or using the parallel graded road in wet
conditions!
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Only the final 2 miles are very rocky and will keep out low cars.
This photo is of another road going out of the canyon towards the date farm, straight east... IF you miss the signed turn for Guadalupe, then there is
a second sign pointing up this road from the graded road that heads way south to Cohabuzo Jcn. and the Pole Line Road.
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Mr. Hotschott
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Mrs. Hotschott and 'Boomer'
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Boomer and a Barrel cactus
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A cholla (Jumping Cactus), also just ouside the entrance to Guadalupe Canyon...
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Thanks, David. I knew it wasn't Rattlesnake as I don't believe that Rattlesnake (Rubi?) has any palms in it----in fact it is very hard to find
Rattlesnake from the main north/south road because it is narrow and deep, and almost impossible to see from out on the flats.
"Rattlesnake" is a new name for me------the canyon I assume HotSchott is talking about is the next major one south of Guadalupe (???) and that canyon
is/was named RUBI by the locals back in the '60's. WE always got to it by hiking almost due south down a strike valley (N-S earthquake fault) just
downstream from the original old Hot spring camp in Guadalupe Canyon, and this "strike valley" shows up dramatically on the Mexican 1:50,000 topo
IIID84.
The next major canyon named (by the locals) on the 1:50,000 Topo below Guadalupe after RUBI is DE LOS ARBOLES about 2 kilometres south of RUBI, then
comes a series of 3 un-named (?) canyons over the next 9 kilometers. 9 kilometers below DE LOS ARBOLES is LA MORA, and then 2 more Kilometres is
ALOMAR. All of these canyons are neat, and have "stuff" in them, and can be approached (more or less) via side washes off the main north/south road
west of Laguna Salada. But it takes a lot of exploring to figure out just which wash leads to which canyon-----this country is really confusing even
when you have the Mexican topos, and you can spend DAYS trying to get to all the places you want to go. That is what makes it so much fun. 
By the way, there is a nice hot spring up CARRIZO canyon, just north of GUADALUPE canyon, where you could take a bath back in the 80's when I was last
there----but you had to hike to it, but only about 2 or 3 kilometres.
Barry
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