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DENNIS
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War on drugs and other garbage
Wondering what you folks, especially those with combat experience, would do if you commanded the forces in Tijuana?
Yesterday gave the country a wakeup call. It sayed, "How could you have the nerve to mess with us? You are we and we are you and what you did was a
huge mistake."
I sadly believe that this is only a beginning and the war is on. It's an insurgency and the authorities are so conflicted that they can't establish
an adversary.
What happened yesterday? Cops assault a safe house, known to hold the enemy, go into a fire fight, then.. remember there are kids in the area
schools. Bad planning, for sure.
Sorry to say it but the elite of the Mexican military are inept. Their ineptness cost lives.
Why don't they hire professionals with professional intel and act accordingly. They didn't have to take on this this hot-house in the middle of
school hours, hostages or not. They should have hit it earlier.
Easy for me to say? Yeah...it is because it's easy to see.
What's your opinion?
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Dennis
Todays "combat experience"???? "Inept?" When were you in the military
Retired DMAFB 2005
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DENNIS
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Nam era y mas.
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Forgot to mention - 100% service connected disability, PTSD and other uncomfortable crap.
Why would you ask?
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rts551
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I ask because our own military lacks much of the same planning and "eptness". I can say that now after many years. NAM era says nothing... we all
went.. #78 first lottery. enough of this.... The problems faced by Mexico (many) won't be solved by our nuke em mentality
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Retired DMAFB 2005 |
What is that? Were you in it? Were you really in it?
Tell me about it.
Mine was combat...What was yours?
Since you brought it up.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I ask because our own military lacks much of the same planning and "eptness". I can say that now after many years. NAM era says nothing... we all
went.. #78 first lottery. enough of this.... The problems faced by Mexico (many) won't be solved by our nuke em mentality |
How can you say this? What's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan today is the same thing that is happening in Mexico today. A strong illegal army
wants power. And, if it's not strongly addressed, they will have it. They'll earn it. They'll fight for it and win it.
Then what?
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rts551
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you are right. I stand corrected
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You need a vacation.
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Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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"Wondering what you folks, especially those with combat experience, would do if you commanded the forces in Tijuana?"
Dennis.....will have to discuss this with you over breakfast on my next trip.
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I too was in Viet Nam with the MAG group. Do you think our military intelligence is any better or smarter than Mexicos. Remember the lst Air Cav.
set down in the middle of two divisions of VC. And who ran the War (oops police action) in Vietnam---politicans in Washington with no military
experience whatsoever. Don't cross into this country or that one. Its a wonder we lasted as long as we did. Did Bush Sr. listen to Swartzkopf---NO.
What about all the WMD in Iraq? Maybe the safe house in Tijuana was unoccupied earlier/ we need more facts before we go pointing the finger. Nuff
said.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
You need a vacation. |
who?
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gibson
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a joint is what he really needs
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don't we all.....
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The Mexican military could have killed everybody inside that house in less than 10 minutes. Mexican intelligence gave the order to get them alive, and
i guarantee you, by now they must be somewhere regreting what they did and spilling their guts about everything.
Also, this was not a planned military operation, the feds where the ones investigating and apparently they ran into the killers.
I personally think whats going on right now is good, the military and the feds are on clean up mode, so its going to get ugly in the next months, but
it will get better.
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No military experience here. Dennis and others, what is different about "war on drugs" in USA v. Mexico? This is not a rhetorical question. Hope
that similarities/differences may shed light on potential solutions. Thanks.
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DENNIS
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Not a whole lot of difference, Doc. The enemy is the same but, they happen to be on the south side of the border.
It seems to have morphed into more than a "war on drugs." Now it's a war over power and control of the country. We won't see this in the states. At
least, I hope not.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Not a whole lot of difference, Doc. The enemy is the same but, they happen to be on the south side of the border.
It seems to have morphed into more than a "war on drugs." Now it's a war over power and control of the country. We won't see this in the states. At
least, I hope not. |
From another article in another thread:
"Now, along the border, Mexican drug traffickers are trying to extend their culture of corruption to the north, targeting Border Patrol and military
officials they think might be tempted by easy money."
Unfortunately Dennis you WILL see this in the states, especially if illegal immigration from the South continues unchecked. You see in Mexico there's
a certain part of the culture that accepts corruption as part of everyday life and the more people that come from the south for the "american dream",
the more this culture will penetrate your country.
After much debate and many years pondering a possible solution to this drug problem the only thing that will alleviate this situation is outright
legalization of all recreational drugs. Make state mandated licenses meth labs. Have certain drugs be controlled substances like pharmaceuticals.
The drug war hasn't worked in 25+ years and look at where we're at today. I do agree with much that you say and I, like you, am seriously frustrated
about this. Calderon is only doing what the US government wants him to do. He really wants that 1,4 Billion dollars.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kimberlee
Unfortunately Dennis you WILL see this in the states, |
Not to the degree which we see it in Mexico. Corruption has been a characteristic of government here forever. Hopefully, with better pay and living
standards, that will change.
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"Calderon is only doing what the US government wants him to do. He really wants that 1,4 Billion dollars."..................
Calderon should put a large part of that 1.4 billion into ammunition and stage more of the ops like the one in TJ.......
The more of these ratones, dopers, cartels and gangs that are shot up the better.........It sends a strong message to the ones that survive.......
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