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allanbartlett
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Front Page of the LA Times Today
The article says that tourism is off by a staggering 90% in TJ right now. It's mainly attributable to the drug cartel wars. Mexico is going to have
to figure what they value more...thriving tourism or drug cartel wars & rampant corruption. It seems they can't have both. My personal boycott
of Baja is still in effect.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tijuana17feb17,0,508... (link is broken...copy & paste the code into your browser to view)
[Edited on 2-16-2008 by allanbartlett]
[Edited on 2-17-2008 by BajaNomad]
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bajalou
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I think the hassle of getting back into the US might be a big factor. I just can't see a day trip with the return to US delay.
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Desertsurfergal
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Unfortunatly I could not get the article to open. Since I am new, is the travel sketchy from TJ to Ensenada? We would like to try Tecate and drive
south of Ensenada to camp and surf. What are your thoughts Nomads???
\"Life\'s a journey, not a destination...\" Aerosmith
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allanbartlett
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Thanks for that tip Grover. I didn't even think about adding the tags. Duh.
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DENNIS
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People won't come down here 'cause it's turned into a snake pit. It isn't so much the border wait as much as it's the anti-Americanism. The over-all
friendliness toward Americans has changed and the government has fostered a belief that we are the enemy. They need that excuse in order to scapegoat
all of the crap that they have brought upon themselves with their thieving past governments.
This country is lost to the avarice of its leaders. The Mexican people are promised change, they look for change, they hope for change but,
nothing changes. They keep blameing their problems on the United States, and, I for one am sick and tired of being blamed for Mexico's problems.
I didn't steal anybodys land.
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BajaDanD
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Not Border wait
Threre's always been a long boder wiat that didnt stop 90% of the people from comming down there before now
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bajabound2005
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Dennis!!! I so don't agree with you! (this might be a first, mi amigo y vecino)...We've not experienced one ounce (or dram) of anti-Americanism.
Not around Ensenada nor on our recent trip south. At one of the military checkpoints we were asked if we were German....not sure how that came about!
But, we told them "no, we're from Estados Unidos" and they waved us through. Oh, and LOVED our dogs! They were petting them big time through the
windows once we told them they wouldn't bite!
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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UnoMas
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Never understood why 90% of the people that went to TJ did so
Anyone know what the impact has been to other border towns like Tacate? It was always such a nice easy place to cross.
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bigmike
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Dennis,
I agree with Baja Bound, I have had no bad experiences with my Mexican friends here and also on our Whale watching trip, nothing but love shown to us.
I agree tourism is down due to the drug cartel problems. I love our area here in Punta Banda and all of the people here Mexican or US Citizens
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Aventurera
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I found the article interesting and thought that it was more assuring than dissuading insofar as visiting Tijuana.
As for the attitude toward North Americans, I've noticed no change in Mexico. I've traveled all over the world -- even went to an Arab country after
our invasion of Iraq -- and although I've certainly met people with negative opinions of our government, I've never been treated poorly simply because
of my citizenship.
In general, I think that whatever country we visit, the way we are treated is a direct reflection of the attitude with which we approach others.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Trying to regain the old reputation? That mechanic thread really tarnished it. 
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Yeah....I had no idea how severely a fan clutch could ruin years of hard work.
Speaking of...I wonder how Al G is doing? Havn't heard much lately.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
I don't think things have really changed: my impression is that most Mexicans have conflicting feelings about folks from the U.S., and it doesn't take
much in the way of current events to tip the scales.
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I agree, to a point. The feelings havn't changed. There has always been a lot of resentment by Mexicans toward the US and Americans. They've been
taught to resent us. Their textbooks teach that. When Zedillo was minister of education he tried to print new text books with a softer stance toward
the US but, the stuff hit the fan and the books were flushed. The dinosaurs in DF were livid that he would do such a thing. The government has
always channeled this resentment toward the US to give plausible cause to their suffering, knowing full well that the Mexican people have a recent
history of violent revolution.
The difference today is the change in national personality. When in the past, the Mexican kept his thoughts to himself, today he openly voices his
opinion, an opinion formed by the government through text books and media.
If you can't see the metamorphasis in living color while driving in traffic, where the individual still maintains a facade of privacy in public, you
arn't paying attention.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
I found the article interesting and thought that it was more assuring than dissuading insofar as visiting Tijuana.
As for the attitude toward North Americans, I've noticed no change in Mexico. I've traveled all over the world -- even went to an Arab country after
our invasion of Iraq -- and although I've certainly met people with negative opinions of our government, I've never been treated poorly simply because
of my citizenship.
In general, I think that whatever country we visit, the way we are treated is a direct reflection of the attitude with which we approach others.
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Well said, and I agree.
barry
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amir
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There is a reason for that resentment.
The USA has meddled in Mexico's politics and economy forever.
The recent exports of genetically modified corn to Mexico is one of the latest insults to the land where corn was invented.
In the bestseller "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James Loewen, there is plenty of documented proof for many reasons to dislike the USA...
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Bajamatic
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Wow. This went sour fast.
(IMHO) The reason for the 90% drop is the press, and nothing else. most of the people who go to tJ for the day have no idea about the politics or
general temperature in regards to Americans as tourists - they only know they can be twirled on the shoulders of a 12-shot glass-slinging bartender,
and maybe get some "sucky sucky." And since this article appears on the front page of the LA times, you can rest assured that the numbers will return
(to some degree) to see the new, safer, more beautiful TJ. We'll see if the rep can hold up to its promises.
yuletide
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by amir
There is a reason for that resentment.
The USA has meddled in Mexico's politics and economy forever.
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Agreed. But, resentment does exist. To not be aware of that is blind arrogance.
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shari
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It would be interesting to see the stats at Tecate as many are using this border crossing now. It appears that many of the day trippers...or night
marauders to TJ are not crossing now...must be lots of good deals from the street hawkers these days. Now, I have not noticed any more anti american
sentiment than usual...there are always those gringo haters and they will always be like that. Canada has way more US resentment than mexico! One of
the lovely things about mexico is that you are judged by your acts, not your color, creed or race. I am glad for the dark times as it announces the
dawn of a new era....I see changes happening...the struggle to overcome corruption...improve the quality of life...it is a slow and painful process
but the good thing is that the process has begun...viva mexico
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
One of the lovely things about mexico is that you are judged by your acts, not your color, creed or race. |
Unfortunatly, one of those acts is bringing a quarter million dollars worth of toys to a poor country.
Don't get me wrong. If I had those toys, I'd be playing with them too.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
Wow. This went sour fast.
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Sorry about that. Just having one of those evenings. Looks like Hose A ran the thread through the washer. Thanks for that.
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Very good reaction to the Times Story;
Up until about 6 years ago I had not noticed any resentment aganist me as an Americano. After that time I started noticeing among the Younger
Mexicanos a feeling of Hate: Such as when my wife went to the Tortilla Shop, she would be ingnored by the Young Clerks.
After leaving Loreto and returning 6 months later It was more apparant among the Young People.
I think that the Present resentment is brought on by the Change of Culture in the States as well as the Power of the Drug Cartels.
It does appear that many of the Visitors to Mexico expect that the Govt. will take care and Protect them as they expect in the States. That is just
not the Way things are done in Baja.
Can anyone imagine what would happen if a Group approached a Miliatry Office and Protested the Soldiers leave their City, as Happened in Berkerly
Calif.???
We as citizens of the United States cannot demand that the Mexican Govt. change their ways to fit our Needs. It will not happen!!
Why do you Think so many of their People come to the States??
One: To enjoy the Freedom, to better their Lives.? To be able to Work!
It will take many years of Strife before each of our Cultures are able learn to let each Country Live out its Destiny.
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