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rome778
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is 'no country for old men' bad for baja's reputation?
if you haven't seen no country for old men yet, the movie's plot in a nutshell is about a drug deal gone wrong which takes place in a mexico-us border
town. i loved the movie. love love love. yes it was quite disturbing but i loved it.
the thing is though, it made me wonder how it would affect people's views about mexico border cities security? last eyar and until now, we get to read
and watch a lot of sensationalized news about baja crime rates and drug dealings. united states even warned its citizens against vacationing in baja
norte. so how do you think no country for old men would affect directly or may be indirectly the viewing audience's opinion of baja safety?
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rpleger
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Good news if they come...
Better news if they stay away...
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*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
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David K
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You loved THAT movie??? It didn't have an ending... no conclussion... wide open for sequels maybe? Saw it with three others, we all looked at each
other when it was over and 
It was based in Texas... I see nothing that affects Baja travel in that movie...
However, I do see real crimes (against tourists and innocent locals) in Baja affecting Baja travel A LOT!
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capt. mike
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DK - you missed entirely the point of the ending.
It is the sheriffs character, played by Tommy Jones, simply resigned to the fact that what he does means little in the grand scheme. And that the
crime and drugs etc will just continue as it did back when his own father was the cop before he got in trouble. The movie was 100% noir, that dark
depressing ending as he mused said volumes.
i'll admit it took me a while to get it though.
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David K
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Thanks Mike... Yes, that was what happened. However, way too many unanswered questions. I wasn't the only one disappointed Mike... Perhaps we will
rent it and watch it again... but it didn't wrap up what happened to the nut case... anyway, let's not spoil it if others haven't seen the thing!
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capt. mike
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yeah, i agree witcha there. it left a few wonderings. i sometimes wonder if directors do that on porpoise just to eff with us.
weird movie tho.
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bufeo
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The book was even rougher, but at least one can re-read parts for a better understanding of McMurtry's focus.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rome778
we get to read and watch a lot of sensationalized news about baja crime rates and drug dealings. |
Sensational, maybe. Sensationalized? Perhaps you could give us an example of where factual reporting stopped and hyperbole began. Over-exposure
may apply but, we just happen to have a lot of news sources, each trying to bring us news of the day. For me, that is far better than little or no
news at all or the sterilized, government approved crap that comes out of Mexico. We should be thankful that we're hit from all directions with the
same story because even those who don't want to hear it, will. Everybody is entitled to the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bufeo
The book was even rougher, but at least one can re-read parts for a better understanding of McMurtry's focus. |
Cormac Macarthy?
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bufeo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bufeo
The book was even rougher, but at least one can re-read parts for a better understanding of McMurtry's focus. |
Cormac Macarthy? |
Absolutely. My goof. Apologies to Macarthy. Hope he doesn't read this forum.
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bajajazz
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McCarthy It Is
Yes, written by Cormac McCarthy whose ex-wife, Lee McCarthy, visited La Paz from Bakersfield, California, a few years back and while here gave a
poetry reading in the Hitchc-ck's backyardo.
Capt. Mike's comments are right-on. To get the point of the movie think of the title, it speaks volumes. Recall also the voiceover narration at the
beginning of the film, in which the sherriff recalls the days when his father and a few other sherriffs didn't even wear guns to do their job. But
the world changed quickly, descending into a chaos of insane violence and the sherriff retires because his Texas town had become "No Country For Old
Men."
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vgabndo
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David K...I have a movie recommendation. Rent and watch
"Limbo" I predict you'll LOVE it. 
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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toneart
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I read the book. The movie came out while I was/am in Baja so I haven't had a chance to see it yet.
To answer the question: Yes, it may affect those who are easily influenced by their own fear gripped lives. Overall, the news is what it is; border
violence is what it is...probably not a Country for Old Men or anyone else who allows fear to sway their free spirit (and how they vote).
To comment to the story, the book ending is just as nebulous as those reports of the movie's ending; not very satisfying, as entertainment. I think
the sheriff's point is that (the drug culture) violence has escalated beyond what used to be the norm. The ethic (if you can call it that) is more
ruthless. Like many other generational changes, the new is difficult to comprehend. For any of us to venture into Baja, it is a personal decision. We
have the option to not go. For the character in the movie, his conclusion (the title of the book) is an occupational one. Why would he want to
continue risking his life every day in these times?
Cormack McCarthy is one of our hottest novelests at present. These writers have to have the commercial angle of a screenplay in mind while writing. It
sure looks like a set up for a good sequal.
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shari
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I look forward to seeing the movie..glad you loved it...now I am all for truth...and don't give a pinch of coon crap what people might think or how it
will "affect" tourism....what IS crucial is that visitors see films like this and
UNDERSTAND what can and does happen, the REALITY of border town crime etc...and not come to mexico with some la-dee-da head in the clouds idea but
with truth so they can be prepared and make sound decisions and take precautions....it's OK that mexico is not for the faint of heart or
wooseys....viva la verdad
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
and don't give a pinch of coon crap what people might think |
you can take the girl out of Ontario but you can't take Ontario out of the girl.....
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bajabound2005
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rome778
if you haven't seen no country for old men yet, the movie's plot in a nutshell is about a drug deal gone wrong which takes place in a mexico-us border
town. i loved the movie. love love love. yes it was quite disturbing but i loved it.
the thing is though, it made me wonder how it would affect people's views about mexico border cities security? last eyar and until now, we get to read
and watch a lot of sensationalized news about baja crime rates and drug dealings. united states even warned its citizens against vacationing in baja
norte. so how do you think no country for old men would affect directly or may be indirectly the viewing audience's opinion of baja safety?
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No, but it sure is a crappy movie...can't believe it won BEST PIC!
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Mexitron
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I've read other Cormac McCarthy books--they generally leave a lot of loose ends too, but life's often more like that than the simplified movies we
mostly see. He reminds me of Steinbeck in how he takes a slice of life and just tells it how it is rather than making it all neat and tidy.
Naw, don't think the movie will affect the impression of Baja--like DK said--its West Texas and 30 years ago.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
I've read other Cormac McCarthy books-- |
"Blood Meridian" was a gory piece of literature, first of the Border Trilogy that I read. I passed on the other two. Maybe later. Macarthy
certainly has a way with words.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
David K...I have a movie recommendation. Rent and watch
"Limbo" I predict you'll LOVE it. |
Hmmm...
On Baja Nomad, I can recommend some movies!:
1) Bajo California: The Limit of Time
2) Corazon Vaquero
3) Dust to Glory
[Edited on 4-20-2008 by David K]
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rome778
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i liked the ending. anti-climactic yes but it did seem like a fluid conclusion and its hard for me to imagine it ending any other way
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