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bajajudy
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Does anyone know the story of the graves
at the old pier in Guerrero Negro.
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bajajudy
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This is Jesus Castro
They all died December 10, 2005
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This is Gladys Lopez
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bajajudy
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This is Pedro Angolo(I think that is what it says)
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For perspective this is what you see looking north
[Edited on 4-21-2008 by bajajudy]
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bajajudy
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And this is why we go...sunset
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Roberto
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I have a question about this. A simple, respectful question that I sincerely hope will not offend anyone, as that is NOT the intent.
Is it ok to photograph ANYTHING? Personally, the photos of graves are disturbing to me -- the more recent the graves the most disturbing they are. I
see it as an act of intrusion on privacy, and a lack of respect for the deceased and the families of the deceased. Let's let them rest in peace.
Am I the only one to feel this way? Would photos of your family graces on a public internet site, to be viewed and discussed by all and any, disturb
you? It would me.
[Edited on 4-21-2008 by Roberto]
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Since nobody in my family was ever "buried" (we are all cremated with ashes spread to the wind, as far as I know) I cannot personally relate, but no
it would not offend me to have pics taken of my grave and sold, or whatever.
I wish I knew the answer to the question of the story behind the graves, but I don't. To me graves are interesting, but certainly not sacred, and I
am a Christian.
Barry
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Roberto:
I will respectfully disagree. The dead are not dishonored by curiosity about their lives. Should anyone have wished that the graves not be known or
seen, that could have easily have been done, but wasn't.
When I put myself in the position of a surviving loved one I think about how I would feel if my mother's name was among these who passed on the same
day. I can't imagine myself being offended that someone would be curious about what unusual thing took them all together. (If that was the case) I
can imagine myself saying: "Thanks for asking, it was a sad accident at sea. She was a sweet generous lady. Thank you for caring about her life.
She'd have liked that."
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I think some of the Baja cemeteries are beautiful, like this one in San Ignacio:
IMHO images like this, and those of the highway shrines, honor the dead, rather than the opposite.
++Ken++
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I have always enjoyed visiting cemeteries, don't feel I'm being disrespectful. I find them to be spiritual places where I wonder about the lives of
those whose names I find there.
I remember a particularly beautiful grave site which had mother, father, 3 children all buried side by side. Someone had planted a rose bush over
mom's grave - and over the years it had grown to a glorious size and shape. When I was there it's branches spread out over the graves of the entire
family and it was covered with blood red roses.
A most touching experience it was. I do not think I was being intrusive to enjoy it... and I sincerely wish I'd had a camera at the time. If that
was my mom, I'd want the world to see her spot of final rest.
Here's a little cemetery in Baja Sur:
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and i think it is especially proper and respectful with mexican graves, given the culture's views of death as an integral part of life.
so no, i don't feel disrespect and i agree with other posters who mention survivors of those buried there would likely be pleased, not offended, with
the caring interest expressed.
jmho.
still, i also think the question raised was raised respectfully and deserves the careful attention it is getting.
lili
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Roberto
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Thanks for the input.
I'm Italian, born and raised until the age of 28, when I moved to the U.S. Our culture is very similar to the Mexican one, in many ways, including the
relationship with the dead. Dia de los Muertos is Giorno dei Morti in Italy, and visiting cemeteries is a common activity. We go, wash the grave,
leave flowers and talk to our loved ones. A visit with those who are no longer with us, but who will never leave. All good.
What makes me feel uncomfortable is the Internet aspect of this. A whole new level of public. But, I could be wrong, and thanks for letting me know
your perspectives.
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by Roberto]
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bajajudy
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Roberto
Thanks for your input and it has made me think, in particular, about the graves in my photos. It was indeed my morbid curiosity that led me to take
the photos. It also seemed that the people who knew these people had taken the time to memorialize them in a particular place, probably because it
was either important to the deceased or because they had died on the water and had left from this spot.
Perhaps it would have been more respectful to not identify them, but just to ask a general question about the incident.
Either way.....this is a killer place for sunsets!
edit:jeez I wish I had learned to type
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by bajajudy]
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OMG...i can not believe of all the years i have been in guerrero negro i have never seen those graves!!
and roberto, thank's so much for that preocupation, even thought it is not a problem to take pictures of the graves here in Mexico, it depends very
much on you intent, as i am sure the intent of this was in no way disrespectfull, but sometimes people take pictures and make jokes and such about
them...that becomes an insult, and as for the graves...i'm interested...i'm going to do some research and i'll get back to ya!!
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Interesting question Roberto, never considered that one would be offended if I took pictures of their families graves.
I have done a few visits to the graveyards of Oaxaca during Day of the Dead. When there was family there I always asked permission, no one minded if I
took pictures of their beautifully decorated graves, but a few declined to be included in the photos and stepped aside when I took the shots.
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I like your pictures and your question, Judy. I'm glad you included the names, for as I read them and looked at the grave sites it personalized what
must have been some little tragedy in that same spot. It will be neat if Sirena is able to help us find out something more about what took place.
Nena
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In San Diego cemetaries where I received permission from the directors to photograph flora, I've had to give assurance that I will not photograph
individual gravestones so as to make them recognizable in the picture. There apparently are privacy issues in the American industry that are legal and
ethical beyond (and/or derived from?) the cultural considerations.
Roberto raises a good question although I personally enjoy documenting graves in photos of my travels wherever I go. There are places in Baja where I
fear there is great potential for many lonesome, forgotten graves to be disturbed or lost due to other land uses.
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Very thought provoking topic....I never appreciated graves until I moved to mexico and as mentioned...they are part of life and often visited here. As
far as internet goes, I am happy we can reach so many people by our posts as long as they honourable and respectful. I have decided to post this
lovely gravesiste photo as it a dear dear amigo and respected...recently departed member of our community of San Roque. This my friends is where
Chimbo rests..where he wanted to be and I enjoy sitting with him there at peace.
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My first time camping in San Roque I pulled in in the dark and in the morning I was camped beside the graveyard. This is an interesting place as it
has been washed away by hurricaine swells a few times and is "put back" about where the tombs are. This is where I would like to rest too....man, what
a view!
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