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DENNIS
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That's me, Intermedio uno. That's prior to una caja de Peaceful.
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Paula
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Page 1-- 10 out of te, easy!
Page 2-- 5 out of 10-- what's up with this??? My Spanish is better than that.
Page 3-- 6out of 10
Page 4-- 6 out of 10
Page 5-- 6 out of 10
I learned a lot going back and re-doing pages to get to the next one (did I miss a way to continue the test after not passing a page?:?
I gave myself an intermediate 1, event though I think I'm an intermediate 1.6. Well, really I see myself as intermediate 2.
And now I'm having another glass of wine-- that test was way too much reality for me!
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The Gull
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Ugh
Page 1 - 10 for 10
Page 2 - 5 for 10
Page 3 - didn't open, knew when to quit.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Oso
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P-nches gachupines no saben hablar bien.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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fulano
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chinga
é
ha chingado
emos
chingate
chingón
chingazos
chingonería
Felicidades. Usted se encuentra en el nivel avanzado ... de Baja California.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
chinga
é
ha chingado
emos
chingate
chingón
chingazos
chingonería
Felicidades. Usted se encuentra en el nivel avanzado ... de Baja California.
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welcome to the board. which tense
are you?
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Según la prueba no sé español muy bien. En otras palabras "La chingué." ¿Que gacho, no? Casi no alcance el nivel elemental. Creo que voy a llorar.
According to the test I do not know Spanish very well. In other words “I screwed up.” How sad, no? I almost did not make it to the Basic level. I
think I am going to cry.
[Edited on 5-2-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
p-nches gachupines no saben hablar bien. |
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gachup%C3%ADn
Didn't know about the nahuatl root.
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Iflyfish
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It is interesting to me that after traveling in Mexico for over forty years that I obtained the following results from this test:
¡Lo sentimos! No has conseguido superar el nivel Inicial.
Has tenido 4 respuestas correctas de 10, y necesitabas al menos 8.
What is interesting to me about this exercise is that I comprehended what I was reading. My Spanish has been acquired by interacting with people, not
reading.
It is important when looking at this issue to understand some things.
Language production comes after language acquisition. First we listen and understand and then we produce. There is a continuum and this type of test
does not get at the issue of comprehension. I understood what I read; I did not have the tenses or sexes necessary to produce the correct response.
Yet, I fully understood what I was reading.
Secondly there is the issue of proficiency or fluency. I understood what was being said, but did I understand it at the level of a college educated
native speaker? No. Did I understand it at the level of a retarded person? Probably. We all differ in our level of understanding of nuance and
imbedded cultural meaning. This sort of test measures more about knowledge of proper grammar. This is not a simple vocabulary test.
Does one measure competency by testing grammar? Does one measure competency by measuring ones mastery of the feminine vs. masculine forms?
Wikipedia addresses this issue under the rubric of fluency:
Language fluency is proficiency in a language, most typically foreign language or another learned language. In this sense, "fluency" actually
encompasses a number of related but separable skills:
Reading: the ability to easily read and understand texts written in the language;
Writing: the ability to formulate written texts in the language;
Comprehension: the ability to follow and understand speech in the language;
Speaking: the ability to speak in the language and be understood by its speakers.
To some extent, these skills can be separately acquired. Generally, the later in life a learner approaches the study of a foreign language, the harder
it is to acquire auditory comprehension and fluent speaking skills. Reading and writing a foreign language are skills that can be acquired more easily
after the primary language acquisition period of youth is over, however.
A rubric is a scoring tool for subjective assessments. It is a set of criteria and standards linked to learning objectives that is used to assess a
student's performance on papers, projects, essays, and other assignments. Rubrics allow for standardised evaluation according to specified criteria,
making grading simpler and more transparent.
The rubric is an attempt to delineate consistent assessment criteria. It allows teachers and students alike to assess criteria which are complex and
subjective and also provide ground for self-evaluation, reflection and peer review. It is aimed at accurate and fair assessment, fostering
understanding and indicating the way to proceed with subsequent learning/teaching. This integration of performance and feedback is called "ongoing
assessment."
Increasingly, instructors who rely on rubrics to evaluate student performance tend to share the rubric with students at the time the assignment is
made. In addition to helping students understand how the assignment relates to course content, a shared-rubric can increase student authority in
classroom, through transparency
The following common features of rubrics can be distinguished, according to Bernie Dodge and Nancy Pickett: focus on measuring a stated objective
(performance, behavior, or quality) use a range to rate performance
contain specific performance characteristics arranged in levels indicating the degree to which a standard has been met.
Iflyfishwhennotaskingthewrongquestionwhichendswiththewrongconclusion
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fdt
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I am an Intermedio II.
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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tehag
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Level
Since the test site is trying to sell us a course in Spanish, I hardly think it would be in their best interest to have us come away thinking we are
fluent. ¿No?
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
I am an Intermedio II.
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¡Ay!
Por eso tengo que degradarme al nivel de elemental. Y de veras, aprendí la lengua hace unos años, y mas de leer y escribir. Entonces hablo más que
entiendo, y como puedes imaginar sufro mucho yo de éste
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David K
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Interesting... I think I am better at conversation than written Spanish... at least I get the messsage across... most of the time! LOL
I got this for the first test: ¡Enhorabuena! Has superado el nivel Inicial.
Tienes 8 respuestas correctas de 10 posibles.
The second test was way down, 3 of 10... Like Gull, I didn't go on!
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
at least I get the messsage across... most of the time! LOL
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That's because you pay in dollars 
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That's me, Intermedio uno. That's prior to una caja de Peaceful. |
Ah, now if we want to be scientific about it, you should take it again después de esa caja de Peaceful and report the results.
I've noted that some folks do better at language acquisition with a moderately elevated blood alcohol level. Breaks down barriers... 
--Larry |
I confess I answered the poll before I scrolled down and saw there was a test. Based on the test, you need to reduce the results by one on the
avanzado level. I answered as truthfully as I understood at the moment based on 51 years of carrying on reasonably fluent conversartions with
Mexicans, including marriage to one. But, as you say. I learned informally in Chilangolandia, and have had little or no formal education regarding
rules of grammar etc. as established in Europe.
I carry on bidiness day to day here on the border and have encountered few problems in communication. But as far as as a vacation in Spain, I think
I might as well go to Kazhakstahn or wherever.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Paula
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| Quote: | Today I cheated my way past the second screen and immediately scored 8 out of 10 on the third, reaching Intermedio I. My self-assessment
would be elemental, based on a year of carrying on fractured but marginally successful conversations with Mexicans, during which we all use
our hands a lot (so far, not violently).
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This is what I did, because I just had to know how the whole test was. So level one was the only one I passed, but I answered over half of the
questions all the way to advanced correctly. I think if I were placed in a language class as a level one, I might have learned to snore fluently in
Spanish!
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Von
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Que pasao aqui chingaO! COMO CHINGAos! Enter esto? NO entiendao
nada en esta pagina
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Whats going on whats the pole about man??????
READY SET.....................
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Von
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That is so funny man!!!!!!!!love your video......
READY SET.....................
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bajalera
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That was fun. I missed one on the first, 5 out of 10 on the second and dropped out. That was better than expected, I can't conjugate verbs worth a
damn.
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\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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bajaboolie
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The video is hilarious...I've seen it before. Maybe a link from this website? Anyway, that test was tough on the ego. I'll have to take it again
tomorrow after a night's sleep. It does reinforce, though, that I want to take Spanish classes again.
Bajaboolie
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