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Capt. George
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Hookah Divers (netting carilla Mar de Cortez
Want to learn something of the devistation occuring (occured) in the Sea of Cortes?
Go to www.seawatch.org
to right in orange Hookah Divers ouch!
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Capt. George, There're a couple of panga's operating out of Mulege using hookah rigs and gill nets. They usually have a lot of grouper and pargo.
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The guy who owns this boat only goes out at night. He also is involved in running the Conosupo in San Nicolas' He obviously has no fear. An
otherwise nice guy, I enjoyed sharing my kite with his kids. Even he took a turn and in turn, turned into a kid himself.
Self discipline is is a hard task for many.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Hook
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No wonder I've never caught a single carilla. 
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Capt. George
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I can not in conscience fault the fishermen making a living for their families. Been there myself.
The problem lies with the Government not protecting there natural resources....and not enforcing the laws they (comically) do pass.
Don't they yet see the vast difference in the potential jobs/income for their people, ie:commercial vs sportfishing in Baja? Sure they do, they just
don't care.
pobre familias de Baja!
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Is there a single problem in Mexico that isn't directly or indirectly the result of years of poor government practices?
Think about it...........a country with incredible tourism attraction, large deposits of oil and natural gas, good areas for raising all kinds of
crops, abundant seafood resources (well, at least in the past), manageable sized population for the area possessed, proximity to the greatest market
in the world (the US).......and it's still basically a third world country with abysmal poverty and a continuing exodus of laborers.
Astounding! Defies belief!
As much as I am a free market kind of guy, profit incentive can override good management in some areas. Natural resources is one of them.
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Yeah, look at our country in a mere 8 years.
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Sharksbaja
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........but please don't ask Skeet to!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
As much as I am a free market kind of guy, profit incentive can override good management in some areas. Natural resources is one of them.
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Hook, you usually make good sense, whether I agree with you or not. But please explain what free markets have to do with Mexico?
From my perspective, there is NOT free market (or, mostly, free anything) for the people of Mexico. It's a ruling-class market, where a small ruling
class owns everything worth owning, and if they missed something, they take it.
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Hook
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I mean that it's pretty much a free market, free-for-all when it comes to the fisheries in Mexico. Almost no management, i.e. govt regulation, when
it comes to enforcing regulations. Anyone with the money to get the fisheries guys to look the other way is allowed to operate.
In the case of other industries in Mexico, the concept of free market was probably not a well chosen phrase for this discussion. It is an oligopoly,
if that is a word, and certainly not anything resembling a free market.
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Roberto
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Like I said, you usually make good sense. Thanks.
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Capt. George
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Ever wonder why there is a dislike of us Norte Americanos and an adoration and worship of Spaniards.
Don't get, the Spaniards enslaved them, we just "borrowed" a small junk of land.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Shark, don't worry, another eight is soon on the way...we'll be eating in Mexican soup kitchens in a few years...and only Chinese food!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
I can not in conscience fault the fishermen making a living for their families. Been there myself.
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Capt. George, one of the interesting facts about these hookah divers is the following comment from that link posted above.
"Because of hookah divers 300 families have lost their ability to fish"
How sad that the Mexican government just doesn't care! It's outrageous.
Bob H
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Good point Bob. Like gill-netting inshore the net is like a giant filter and lets little thru. That immediately impacts that particular localized
enviro and who knows what else.
By the way, the govt does care but it's a matter of WHAT they care for and care about..
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Capt. George
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Has anyone else (especially fishermen) looked at this video...
bad news!
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That is truly sickening. It's not about free markets, or poor people, or government management - it's about common sense and the greed and criminal
activity of a just a few.
There is something we can do from our own homes, and that is to support organizations like Seawatch so they can continue their activities. I can only
hope that the reefs have an opportunity to replenish.
http://www.seawatch.org/we_have_done/accomplishments.php
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Why Not Sharksbaja?
Is it because you are Ashamed of what our Great Country has gone through the Past Eight years or more like the last 20 Years??
The People of San Nicholas have been netting Fish since I first arrived there in 1970. Spearguns and now Hooka Rigs.
The Commerical Boata have been taking all types of Fish for many years.
Then Why oh Why did I see all of the Bait and Fish on my recent Trip.
Are you wise Men going to tell me that what I saw was only at One small place near San Nicholas??
Do you not know that the various Organizations that are trying to Sale their side of a Story will find a small Area, blow it up and try to make
everyone beleive that the Occurance is all over the Sea of Cortez??
They are in to it for Money!!! The more people they can get to Beleive their False Words, the More Money they can Rack in to their Banks.
Oh! You Poor blinded Children!!
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Skeet, you can't look at that video and tell me that that is ok. We're not talking about fishing in the 70's in deep water - we're talking about
destroying the reef fish. You know, as well as I do, that there used to be fish in many, many places to see when snorkling -- nudebranchs, Spanish
Dancers, scallops, etc. -- and they aren't there anymore. With people dumping their RV sewage into the bays, developments contributing to water
pollution, fishermen using bleach to flush out species in near shores, and all the other atrocities, SOMETHING MUST be done. You can donate via
PayPal. C'mon, Skeet - help stop the nonsense. Imagine the nudebranchs, sea cucumbers and marine plants back at Conception Bay - isn't that enough
to compel your support?
http://www.seawatch.org/what_can_you_do/alt_join_seawatch_nl...
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Skeet
I have been fishing "Gene Kira Style" for 14 years out of San Nicolas'. I personally have seen a steady decline in populations of in-shore fish. We
used to NEVER get skunked. It happens all the time now. Used to be you could always hook at least some triggerfish...not any more. Used to be you'd
have to troll AROUND the nets between San Nicolas and Punta Teresa...not any more. There aren't any reef fish there to net so the guys are going
farther away.
I find it interesting that EVERYBODY else has noted a drop in fish populations but you personally judge them to all be fools, and you are correct.
I understand that you believe that everything, including light itself, was created by magic in six days ten thousand years ago. Based on that
information, I find it extremely offensive to be called a "BLINDED CHILD" by you. Back to off-topic with that kind of talk old timer.
Viva sharks. Viva Baja. Viva Sharksbaja!
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Capt. George
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Skeet,
In the past you offered me advice and help getting started on my journey to Baja. We fished together and I enjoyed every moment with you and your son
Todd. The knowledge you so willingly shared with me regarding Baja will always be appreciated.
I wish you only well and admire what you accomplished in Loreto so many years ago. However, your refusal to see what is happening to your Mar de
Cortez (and all of Baja) amazes me.
Regardless of our personal agreements or disagreements,
always an amigo George
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