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fulano
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Mexican tourism spinmeister: It's not the crime, it's the border wait time
http://elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=generales&id=43949
"Pierde BC 10 millones de turistas"
Ensenada, B. C. - Alrededor de 10 millones de turistas estadounidenses dejaron de visitar Baja California durante el periodo 2007-2008 en comparación
al 2006-2007, pero no fue por la inseguridad que se registra en la entidad, sino por la demora en los cruces fronterizos."
Translation:
10 Million Baja Tourists Lost
Ensenada, B. C. -- About 10 million fewer American tourists visited Baja California during the period 2007-2008 as compared to 2006-2007, but it was
not due to the lack of security in Baja, it was due to the delays at border crossings.
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bajalou
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I believe that they have a valid point, Who would want to cross the border for a afternoon shopping or lunch or dinner and have a 1-2 hour or longer
wait to return to the US?
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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Woooosh
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We've talked to a few artisans on the via Popotla in Rosarito- which is supposed to be the place to buy local furniture, pottery, etc- and many are
closed or are soon closing. One man told us business was the worst in his 45 years and he has given up hope for this summer.
I'm sure those on the walking tours of TJ have noticed the shuttered businesses there too.
Spin it is- it's not the border wait making toursits stay home... It's the crime stupid! I'm sure all those people driving to Mexico to save buck a
gallon on gas are happy...
Among the ten killed in the past few days was a lady shot in the back during a carjacking attempt. The cop that was killed got into a bar fight in TJ
at 5am- so that's pretty normal for Mexico. The group of people killed on blvd 2000 were reported to have been having a drinking party at the crime
scene that night as many alcohol bottles were found (and not those of the killers). In the back seat of the car was stolen car parts.
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Cypress
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Sounds reasonable enough, along with the higher fuel costs, folks don't want to spend any more time behind the wheel than necessary.
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Iflyfish
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Crime and Mexophobia. People read, they hear the news. When I mention my Mexico travels and love of Mexico I hear "You mean you go there, aren't you
afraid?" "I would never dare go there" etc. This is from people from all over the states and Canada.
Maybe border crossing time is an issue for those who live along the border, not up here!
Iflyfish
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Sounds reasonable enough, along with the higher fuel costs, folks don't want to spend any more time behind the wheel than necessary. |
Have you ever seen this website?:
http://apps.cbp.gov/bwt/
Right now, at 11AM on a Tuesday morning, the pedestrian line at San Ysidro is a 5 minute wait. The non-sentri auto wait is 1:12. It has always been
about that long in the middle of the day...even way back before 9/11.
What you are seeing is the typlical Mexican political ploy to try to pass-off the problem on the US, which controls the border.
Nancy Conroy nailed those jerk-offs in an article last year:
http://mexidata.info/id1634.html
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Cypress
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fulano, That sounds reasonable. There's always more than one way to look at a situation. Guess it all boils down to the big "F's". Fuel, Fear and Finances.
Fuel and Finances are very important if you're on the road. Fear is state of mind,
no matter where you are.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Crime and Mexophobia. People read, they hear the news. When I mention my Mexico travels and love of Mexico I hear "You mean you go there, aren't you
afraid?" "I would never dare go there" etc. This is from people from all over the states and Canada.
Maybe border crossing time is an issue for those who live along the border, not up here!
Iflyfish |
My own family is increasingly questioning my sanity for living here. I tell them that I love Mexico and the Mexican people (I'd better because it's
half the family). Even my Mexican relatives have questioned why I put myself at risk and they say it's not a good time to be a guero in TJ/Rosarito.
I then quickly add that I think TJ and the aggressive tijuaneros have little to do with the real Mexican people. Then again- maybe I'm trying to put
a positive spin on the rest of Mexico that doesn't even exist any more.
Several of our Mexican cousins have been the targetred victims of kidnapping threats because they own a small hardware store in TJ. They moved away
for six months and returned to a different house.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
I believe that they have a valid point, Who would want to cross the border for a afternoon shopping or lunch or dinner and have a 1-2 hour or longer
wait to return to the US? |
As a san diegan, I find i no longer take short trips to TJ only because of the wait coming back.
the border waits have hurt BOTH san diegan and TJ businesses, because waits caused by US govt have cut day trippers. basicly, US govt is hurting biz
on both sides of borderthru it's inaction in increasing number of lanes and number of inspectors.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
I believe that they have a valid point, Who would want to cross the border for a afternoon shopping or lunch or dinner and have a 1-2 hour or longer
wait to return to the US? |
As a san diegan, I find i no longer take short trips to TJ only because of the wait coming back.
the border waits have hurt BOTH san diegan and TJ businesses, because waits caused by US govt have cut day trippers. basicly, US govt is hurting biz
on both sides of borderthru it's inaction in increasing number of lanes and number of inspectors. |
Imagine what the trip would be like if you had to enter Mexico with every car being checked and inspected like northbound. The southbound lanes would
be backed up to downtown san diego
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
I believe that they have a valid point, Who would want to cross the border for a afternoon shopping or lunch or dinner and have a 1-2 hour or longer
wait to return to the US? |
As a san diegan, I find i no longer take short trips to TJ only because of the wait coming back.
the border waits have hurt BOTH san diegan and TJ businesses, because waits caused by US govt have cut day trippers. basicly, US govt is hurting biz
on both sides of borderthru it's inaction in increasing number of lanes and number of inspectors. |
The lines at Tijuana have caused us to cross at Tecate for our multiday trips to Baja.
They have eliminated our dinner trips we used to do in Tijuana on a Saturday night.
Ken
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BajaSerg
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Well for me it’s the gas, now we go to are place in Rosarito few time a month or less….it’s costing me at lease 100 buck a round trip were it us to
cost 40 buck to fill up my F-150 and an other 100 buck for the rest of the week. I’m filling the pinch.
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DENNIS
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Here's border wait times from the Mexican perspective.
http://www.planetabaja.com/garitas_html.cgi
It would be interesting to know how things have affected the flow of Mexican tourists going on a day trip to the states. Don't suppose that's
possible though.
Anyway, If Mexico is nothing else, she is consistant. If it's bad, blame the USA. Their scapegoat sniveling has become cumbersome and monotonous.
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Cypress
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DENNIS,  Cumbersome! Good word.
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Woooosh
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I have to agree with cumbersome.
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. Mexicans don't have the intestinal fortitude to do that without a law- yet that's
all it would take to root-out the worms that are killing Mexico. They love a good crook down here and all know one and even elect them (Hank). They
blame everyone else but themselves and Mexico- when they could solve the narco-problem if the citizens would step up and identify the culprits without
fear of retribution. But without fear of retribution does not exist in Mexico.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
I believe that they have a valid point, Who would want to cross the border for a afternoon shopping or lunch or dinner and have a 1-2 hour or longer
wait to return to the US? |
As a san diegan, I find i no longer take short trips to TJ only because of the wait coming back.
the border waits have hurt BOTH san diegan and TJ businesses, because waits caused by US govt have cut day trippers. basicly, US govt is hurting biz
on both sides of borderthru it's inaction in increasing number of lanes and number of inspectors. |
Imagine what the trip would be like if you had to enter Mexico with every car being checked and inspected like northbound. The southbound lanes would
be backed up to downtown san diego |
I do agree that more crossing lanes and points of entry would help both sides.
While they are filling-in smugglers gultch (Playas de Tijuana) with millions of cubic yards of dirt- why not add a direct border crossing? They've
already killed everything eco-sensitive and the decades of toxic pollution in the TJ Estuary has most likely genetically modified any species we were
protecting anyway.
It's a brilliant crossing point if Mexico is serious about restoring tourism and security. A direct connect to the Cuoto toll road, no running the
Via Rapido gauntlet in TJ, no TJ police at all! You'd get dropped right off stateside in Imperial Beach- who could use a financial leg up as well.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
25% of Mexico's GDP is from criminal activities: drugs, mordida, theft, etc. It's the 2nd largest source of revenues, after oil.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
25% of Mexico's GDP is from criminal activities: drugs, mordida, theft, etc. It's the 2nd largest source of revenues, after oil.
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Mexico is going to broke in less than a year anyway. It's just a matter if they go bust in a civilized manner like Argentina or all hell breaks
loose. I'm predicting the latter unless they get a grip on the crime now.
There's no way Mexico can survive financially: declining federal revenues, subsidizing gasoline prices at the pump, decling tourism dollars, decling
real estate investment, and with the 2% tax on all bank deposit exceeding $2500 in July- declining bank liquidity. They're toast.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It would be interesting to know how things have affected the flow of Mexican tourists going on a day trip to the states. Don't suppose that's
possible though. |
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080311/news_1n11cr...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
25% of Mexico's GDP is from criminal activities: drugs, mordida, theft, etc. It's the 2nd largest source of revenues, after oil.
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I thought remittances were number two.
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