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San Diego, USA .- The mayor of Tijuana, Jorge Ramos, said that his municipality has set up a "shielded zone" of security to ensure that tourists do
not suffer any violent incidents.
At a press conference in San Diego, Ramos invited American tourists to return to visit the border town that has suffered a serious wave of violence.
Along with the Consul General of Mexico in San Diego, Remedios Gomez Arnau, Ramos said the "shielded zone" includes the Rio, roads and the city
center and that a total of 128 policemen are responsible for security 24 hours a day.
"We have implemented measures such as placing cameras in tourist areas and patrols, so that we can provide 24-hour security for tourism," said Ramos.
The mayor stressed that this year there has been a 70 percent reduction in the number of visitors to Tijuana, and economic activity has fallen sharply
that area.
....as to visitors who suffer from extortion by Mexican policemen Mexicans and who prefer not to make a complaint in Mexican territory for fear of the
local bureaucracy, Gomez Arnau said the Mexican Consulate in San Diego has created a link on its website for complaints which will go directly to the
appropriate authorities in Tijuana.
He added that each case will receive personalized attention and undertook to follow up these complaints and, if necessary, dismiss corrupt policemen."
http://www.oem.com.mx/eloccidental/notas/n733616.htm
Well boys, our troubles are over. The Mexican authorities are now watching out for our well being.
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I believe in Mayor Jorge Ramos and actually trust him. He is a great Mayor for Tijuana
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I have met Jorge Ramos and spoken with him. He is 100% committed to improving the city of Tijuana and to call him a liar without providing any
evidence to the contrary I find offensive. I have a close friend who worked in the palacio municipal under the last mayor / different political party
and she has admitted to me that Ramos has already done more in his short term in office as far as public security than the previous administration
accomplished.
If you are going to make an accusation, back it up with facts. This man has earned my respect...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
If you are going to make an accusation, back it up with facts. This man has earned my respect... |
You want facts? I can give you facts.
Fact 1: The mayor is NOT the police chief. The police do not answer to the mayor in TJ. The police work on an economic system based upon extorsion,
where everybody shares in the action.
Fact 2: The mayor is NOT even trying to clean up TJ for the 2 million Mexicans who live there. The mayor is trying to please his wealthy business
constituents by luring tourists back into town by creating a "security zone" just in the tourist areas of TJ, like they have a green zone in Baghdad.
Fact 3: If Mayor Jorge really cared about the people, he would put those tourist police around all the doctors. 40 of them have been kidnapped already
this year. Countless others have been robbed.
Fact 4: If Mayor Jorge really wanted to clean-up TJ, he would completely disband the municpal police and rely only on federales and soldiers. But that
is not going to happen. You see, the police have a real business going in TJ too. The only thing that is going on is that Mayor Jorge is telling them
to keep their "hands off" the tourists and just extort their paisanos.
Fact 5: Only a fool would think that being able to report a crime in TJ AFTER THE FACT by filing a complaint on a website is just as good as
preventing the crime in the first place. It's even more foolish to believe anything will come of the report.
Fact 6: Read what Mayor Jorge's Tijuanenses say about him:
"Cuando se aplica el dicho ‘’SE CASTIGARAN CON TODO EL PESO DE LA LEY’’ ¿a que se refieren???. NO EXISTE el peso de la ley… No han reformado castigos
SEVEROS a secuestradores, asaltantes, corruptos y un largo y tupido etc.. !!! NADA!!! … los asaltantes si no salen el mismo día con una mordida salen
en promedio en un mes, hay reincidentes que dejan libres hasta en 6 ocasiones y de nuevo vuelven a delinquir (fuente: Reportaje Notivisa a las 10 E
Info 7 Noche) ¿de que se trata? Ni el presidente municipal, ni el gobernador del estado ni el presidente de la republica han hecho nada al respecto,…
no sirve de nada combatir al crimen con el ejercito, si no se reforman leyes que nos aseguren que NO VOLVERAN A SALIR LIBRES …. Piénsenlo …. Saludos"
"!!LAMENTABLE!!REALMENTE...AQUI VEMOS EL EJEMPLO VIVO DE UN FUNCIONARIO PANISTA...18 AñOS DE MEDIOCRIDAD...INEPTOS, COMPLICES DE LOS MALANDROS, Y
MEDIOCRES....QUE VA A DECIR JORGE """EL LOCO """ RAMOS..EL TOCAYITO DE HANK, .QUE ES UN HECHO AISLADO...BUSQUENLE POR DONDE QUIERAN...PURA MEDIOCRIDAD
18..18...ENTERATE DE ""LOS NEGOCIOS"" DE OTRA FUNCIONARIA PANISTA...LA DIRECTORA DEL CECUT, EN PROCESO.COM.MX--OPINION--FORO
CULTURA--CECUT--MEDIOCRIDAD-ROBO-DESTRUCCION...!QUE NOS GOBIERNEN LAS PU...TAS...SUS HIJOS PANISTAS EN EL GOBIERNO...NO PUEDEN...A "EL LOCO"RAMOS LE
QUEDO GRANDE LA CAMISETA DE PRESI DE TIJUAS...18,.ESTOY DE ACUERDO..."EL FRONTERA' ES UN PERIODICO FASCISTA Y VENDIDO...SE VENDE DESDE ANTES...DE
SALIR..AL GOBIERNO DE INEPTOS...NI A SU PAGINA ENTREN...NI EN CUATRO PESOS HAY QUE COMPRARLO...QUE SE ABRA A LA LIBERTAD DE
EXPRESION...MEDIOCRES...18.."
"si sr. ramos....son hechos aislados....los tiran lejos ....mas los que van en el dia....???so se estara aislando ud...con tantos guaruras...."
"!!!!cuestiones aisladas !!!! ja,ja,ja,ja,ja.El "AISLADO" es EL"
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I read this and it sounds mostly like it was written by a bitter member of the PRI party who lost the mayors office as well as every other mayors race
in Baja except Rosarito. A bitter party that failed to win the governors race. They only won in Rosarito because Hugo Torres was the candidate and he
would have won on the pink tutu alliance ticket if had chosen to go that route. You would have made a better argument if you hadn't let the politics
show through.
I have lived and worked here for years. I drive the streets every day and I have seen it much better in years before. I saw it much worse just months
before. Is it perfect? No. Is Jorge Ramos chief of police? No. We are in the middle of a power struggle and you cannot lay that blame on Ramos'
doorstep.
Ramos can seek to work with the state and federal government (which his predecessor chose not to do except when it was crammed down his throat) and
request assistance and coordinated efforts. That is going on right now. Hank was out to do it on his own as a cowboy and thinking that his independent
and cavalier attitude would help him surf an easy ride into Mexicali. Surprise, surprise, surprise. It didn't quite work out that way. Here in Tijuana
we paid the price.
The problems we face here did not suddenly appear over night and they will take a lot longer to solve. Listening to your arguments one would think
that this was a simple problem that could be solved with a few strokes of the mayors pen.
Please...
A lot of pressure is being placed on those behind the violence and what we are seeing now is their reaction to try to regain control as well as
internal power struggles where voids have been left from previous leaders being killed or arrested.
I am amazed when I listen to those NOB throw such snide remarks around when in reality those facing this problem and giving their lives are Mexican
police, military and judicial agents as well as ordinary citizens who have the extraordinary bad luck to get in the line of fire or are used as pawns
in this war. A war that only exist to feed the never ending drug habit NOB.
Rhetoric will not solve this problem - a problem that the US owns a big piece of and is standing on the sidelines criticizing like an armchair
quarterback.
And a pretty lousy one at that...
[Edited on 6-15-2008 by BajaGringo]
[Edited on 6-15-2008 by BajaGringo]
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I'm with you, Baja Gringo. And, unfortunately, Mexican citizens have little faith in any politician (also unfortunately with good reason considering
what they've seen in the past.) The only person I've seen praise for by citizens who write comments on articles on frontera.info or el-mexicano.com
is el general Aponte Polito. Y no vale la pena entrar en una discusión con el tal Fulano porque ese sólo ve lo negativo en todo lo que se relaciona
con México.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
Y no vale la pena entrar en una discusión con el tal Fulano porque ese sólo ve lo negativo en todo lo que se relaciona con México.
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Y esto de parte de la mujer cuyo novio había que montar guardia sobre ella toda la noche en una carretera Mexicano por no estar violada, robado o
matado.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Rhetoric will not solve this problem - a problem that the US owns a big piece of and is standing on the sidelines criticizing like an armchair
quarterback.
And a pretty lousy one at that... |
WTF are you talking about? The problem with local Mexican police being being small-time extortionists hasn't got jack to do with the US. Nor has the
US anything to do with the dysfunctional judicial system in Mexico, the abusive patronage system in Mexico or the fact that the per capita income in
Mexico is less than 1/6th that of the US. If anything, the US has been a safety valve where Mexico could blowoff its pressure of being unable to
create enough jobs to match its population growth.
You want crime to go away in Mexico? Bring the income levels of the people up to some reasonable standard. Comfortable middle-class people don't risk
their lives in the drug trades or run kidapping rings.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I read this and it sounds mostly like it was written by a bitter member of the PRD party who lost the mayors office as well as every other mayors race
in Baja except Rosarito. A bitter party that failed to win the governors race. They only won in Rosarito because Hugo Torres was the candidate and he
would have won on the pink tutu alliance ticket if had chosen to go that route. You would have made a better argument if you hadn't let the politics
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I thought Torres was/is PRI.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Rhetoric will not solve this problem - a problem that the US owns a big piece of and is standing on the sidelines criticizing like an armchair
quarterback.
And a pretty lousy one at that... |
WTF are you talking about? The problem with local Mexican police being being small-time extortionists hasn't got jack to do with the US. Nor has the
US anything to do with the dysfunctional judicial system in Mexico, the abusive patronage system in Mexico or the fact that the per capita income in
Mexico is less than 1/6th that of the US. If anything, the US has been a safety valve where Mexico could blowoff its pressure of being unable to
create enough jobs to match its population growth.
You want crime to go away in Mexico? Bring the income levels of the people up to some reasonable standard. Comfortable middle-class people don't risk
their lives in the drug trades or run kidapping rings. |
Well Put Fulano .... and Baja Gringo while I am generally in agreement with your views I think you are full of it in your response to Fulano ....
And I am not NTB ...
CAboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
You want crime to go away in Mexico? Bring the income levels of the people up to some reasonable standard... |
Interesting idea; how would you do this?
--Larry |
Well, for starters, Mexico can stop using all the cash flow out of PEMEX to run their bloated government and invest that cash flow in creating new
jobs in other sectors, like high tech industries.
If you want to understand what a bloated government is, go read Baja Catus' story about how they shut down his PEMEX station because he had one
document that was a copy instead of an original. They have all these people running around trying to justify why their jobs exist and why they need to
hire even more fulanos to help them because they are so overwhelmed with shuffling papers.
Their mindset is not conducive to strong business growth. It's conducive to everybody in government keeping their own little fiefdom and growing it.
It is a political patronage system that rewards those that don't make waves.
[Edited on 6-15-2008 by fulano]
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A few comments...
The high demand for drugs in the US is responsible for and drives the narco trade. No illegal drug demand in the US and these guys disappear.
The narco network in Mexico is what drives the violence, death squads, kidnappings, corruption and today control much of the human smuggling. It is
highly profitable and ruthless people will do ruthless things to make a buck at something illegal.
Cops taking mordidas at traffic stops is something inherent not only to Mexico, but in all of Latin America as well as other countries struggling with
the economic woes as she. I have lived in Latin America almost my entire adult life in many different countries from Argentina to Mexico. Its is a
given and when compared to the US where rolling a stop sign costs me a couple of hundred dollars and higher insurance, in Mexico at worst will cost me
the price of buying the cops lunch. It just is what it is.
Those cops that have sold their souls to the drug gangs are the true slime and many Mexicans are giving their lives to fight a war that exists only
because the USA has such a high demand for illegal drugs. The US has a stake in this and needs to help solve the problem one way or another. Maybe the
US needs to take a page from history and look at how prohibition only seeded the growth of the mafia. That is a subject worth discussing.
Pemex today is not making huge amounts of profits. Mexico subsidizes the cost of gasoline in Mexico and government run industries are not the most
efficient. Google Pemex and look for stories of the current economic problems with that company. Mexico endured decades of crooked rule that genuinely
setup the current state of affairs. In 2000 a great step was made but Fox was not the Messiah, only a figure that opened that door. I believe that
Calderon has very good intentions and in spite of enduring threats and violence to his own family from the drug gangs has pushed forward with this
crackdown. I applaud him for that and I believe he deserves our respect and support.
There is not a simple solution as if Mexico could just suddenly open the valve and increase wages / standards of living overnight to its working poor.
I wish it were and if there was such a solution I would advocate it. If anyone here has one I would love to discuss it. Seriously.
Thank you Dennis for correcting me...
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Ron, you spend way too much time talking out of both sides of your mouth. You ought to just pick one position and stick with it. It would do wonders
for your credibility.
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I am here to serve...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I am here to serve... |
Entonces, quiero dos burritos...y con prisa, esse.
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| Quote: | | Entonces, quiero dos burritos...y con prisa, esse. |
Lots of pain coming through that anger Fulano. Talk to me about it. On another thread I mentioned an article I just wrote and perhaps there is
something there for you. I mean this sincerely. You sound like some who is very bitter inside...
Baja Healing
I think that there is something there for you. Read it and let's talk...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
Y esto de parte de la mujer cuyo novio había que montar guardia sobre ella toda la noche en una carretera Mexicano por no estar violada, robado o
matado. |
Aw, come on...deserted highways can be dangerous anywhere in the world in the middle of the night!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
Aw, come on...deserted highways can be dangerous anywhere in the world in the middle of the night! |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Well Put Fulano .... and Baja Gringo while I am generally in agreement with your views I think you are full of it in your response to Fulano ....
And I am not NTB ...
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oh pleease. you continually display blindness via patriotism.
Patriotism is great! except when it blinds, as is so often the case with you. paz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gibson
oh pleease. you continually display blindness via patriotism.
Patriotism is great! except when it blinds, as is so often the case with you. paz |
Might help if you read
the posts before you respond.
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