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Mexicans charge US violated sovereignty
This is an interesting view of the Mexican perspective on the US. The story goes like this:
On June 6, Juan Enrique Martínez, his wife Maria and their son Jonathan Martínez went up to the border crossing at Calexico to send Jonathan to stay
with relatives in Texas. Now, the point where one goes into the customs and immigration is a little inside the US. While Juan was standing there
saying goodbye to Jonathan, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) recognized Juan as a guy having outstanding arrest warrants in the US. So, they
grabbed him and arrested him.
The Mexicans went berserk. They called the Mexican consul in Calexico and they called the Mexican National Human Rights Commission, which immediately
demanded an explanation from the US of its "aggression, threats and invasion of Mexican territory". The Mexicans claim that four members of ICE went
into Mexican territory, beat the crap out of Juan and dragged him into the United States.
Juan is now a guest at the El Centro jail in Imperial County.
http://www.afntijuana.info/2008/junio/24junio/soberania.html
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The article says that they saw him in the border crossing area and chased him into Mexico, where they were able to get catch him and then dragged him
back across the border into US territory.
If that is true, the border agents are in the wrong.
Imagine if you were being chased by Tijuana cops and they followed you across the border into San Ysidro and then dragged you back into Mexico. That
wouldn't be right either and I am sure people would scream about that as well...
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This guy Juan Enrique. This is 1 brave dude! But also not to smart.
They recognize this guy? What the hell did he do? Border agents chase this guy down and catch him? Are you kidding me. And into Mexico!
Holy @#$%!!!!!
This guy is like a drug dealer or hitman or something! The Mexicans probably tipped the US off so they would catch this guy and get him out of Mexico!
So ofcourse they(government) need to protest. People, Mexican people saw the whole thing!
Border agents just happened to recognize the guy and chase him down?
Ya right!
[Edited on 6-25-2008 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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It will be interesting to see more written about this. I have not seen it in the Imperial Valley Press, but I don't read it everyday anymore.
With their training, it is difficult to imagine them violating Mexican territory, and I hope they did not do so.
But if he did go to the building, he was in US territory---will be interesting to read more accounts. Sounds a little like the accident with five
different stories.
Diane
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Serious Border Violations !
This is the kind of thing that could lead to WWIII. Before you know it, Mexico will mobilize their formidable military resources and launch a
pre-emptive invasion across the border with the distinct possibility that the U.S. will fall to their superior might.
Be prepared.
Or, maybe not. Most likely they'll strike back at the Government by nit-picking the Gringos who have Zero control over the problem.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
If that is true, the border agents are in the wrong.
Imagine if you were being chased by Tijuana cops and they followed you across the border into San Ysidro and then dragged you back into Mexico. That
wouldn't be right either and I am sure people would scream about that as well... |
You should spend a little time researching the concept of "hot pursuit" before you decide what is right or wrong. The border has been crossed by both
sides since Poncho Villa raided New Mexico in 1916 and the US Army pursued him into Mexico.
Nothing will come of this and I'll bet you the Mexican government will not even file a formal protest. It would seem a little silly, since even
Calderon admits there are at least 6 million Mexicans illegally in the US.
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Hot Tamale Pursuit
Well, at least these guys had better luck than those that were pursuing Pancho Villa.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
You should spend a little time researching the concept of "hot pursuit" before you decide what is right or wrong. The border has been crossed by both
sides since Poncho Villa raided New Mexico in 1916 and the US Army pursued him into Mexico. |
Well, I guess that I could make a lot of challenges to some of the arguments made here in different threads if we are allowed to use almost one
hundred year old history. Based on that analysis, we had basically open borders back then and using that comparison I guess you have no issue with any
of the undocumented currently living in the US, if that were the case. if it was okay a hundred years ago, it must be okay now too, based on your
logic.
So you are insinuating that "hot pursuit" justifies crossing international borders to arrest someone? I am sure the US would have "no problem" with
Tijuana police blasting through the border gates chasing a US citizen who had just committed some crime while in Mexico.
Nice try but it doesn't work that way. Both examples are wrong and I can find no moral justification in either.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
This is the kind of thing that could lead to WWIII. Before you know it, Mexico will mobilize their formidable military resources and launch a
pre-emptive invasion across the border with the distinct possibility that the U.S. will fall to their superior might.
Be prepared.
Or, maybe not. Most likely they'll strike back at the Government by nit-picking the Gringos who have Zero control over the problem.
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Put more Home Depots along the border - that will stop them from invading. They will all assemble in the parking lots.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Based on that analysis, we had basically open borders back then and using that comparison I guess you have no issue with any of the undocumented
currently living in the US, if that were the case. if it was okay a hundred years ago, it must be okay now too, based on your logic.
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Say, Ron. What was your IQ before you started drinking?
| Quote: | Straw man
Definition: One way of making our own arguments stronger is to anticipate and respond in advance to the arguments that an opponent might make. In the
straw man fallacy, the arguer sets up a wimpy version of the opponent's position and tries to score points by knocking it down. But just as being able
to knock down a straw man, or a scarecrow, isn't very impressive, defeating a watered-down version of your opponents' argument isn't very impressive
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I am still waiting for your "facts" fulano.
And speaking of IQ, since you seem so proud of yours, when are you going to "come out" and tell the Nomads here who you really are???
That would make an interesting thread...
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
when are you going to "come out" and tell the Nomads here who you really are??? |
OK, OK. I am the lady that was in the line ahead of you at the CFE office. Are you going to export me now?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=639474
Hey zeus, what a putz. Trying to be more Mexican than the Mexicans.
[Edited on 6-26-2008 by fulano]
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Oops. Sorry about the oversized picture making the page too wide. I don't know now to fix it.
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Nice try and I stand behind that post. I do wish those kind of gringos would go home. They don't seem to like it here in Mexico, complain about
everything and for the life of me I can't understand what they are even doing here. They embarrass themselves. Something you manage to do as well.
So back to the question which you are desperately trying to avoid...
Come out of the closet fulano. Or should I say "fulana"? The class would love to know who you really are.
I don't hide like you do.
Of course I know that it will be a bit embarrassing when everybody finds out as some will surely go back and look at some of your posts and then you
will have some explaining to do, won't you???
Oh, this is going to fun...
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Fulano why are you posting stuff in here that BajaGringo has posted elsewhere. Who cares what he posted elsewhere. My respect goes to him for putting
himself on the web as a real person. He has a web page where you can see his face and he has posted his name. You on the other hand snipe with
anonymity and do not show us who you are. Come out of the darkness into the light so we can see you. BajaGringo has guts. You do not. No seas cobarde
o chismosa. It is your kind of conduct that should be banned by BajaNomad and the moderators. You are the true troublemaker.
And just for the record Fulano regarding BajaGringo's post you brought in from another website. I would have told her to quiet her Gringa mouth and
remember where she is.
[Edited on 6-26-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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Mexican Army Invades Phoenix!
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Police reports show that three men arrested in a Phoenix home invasion and homicide Monday may have been active members of the Mexican Army.
While on the J.D. Hayworth show, Phoenix Law Enforcement Association President Mark Spencer said that the men involved were hired by drug cartels to
perform home invasions and assassinations.
The Monday morning incident at 8329 W. Cypress St. resulted in the death of the homeowner. Between 50 and 100 rounds were fired at the house.
Spencer said a police officer told him that one of the men captured said they were completely prepared to ambush Phoenix police, but ran out of
ammunition.
He added that all were all dressed in military tactical gear and were armed with AR-15 assault rifles. Three other men involved in the invasion
escaped.
Click Here to listen to Mark Spencer's entire interview on the J.D. Hayworth show.
However, Phoenix Police have not confirmed the men were Mexican Army members.
Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the
military.
[Edited on 6-26-2008 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Come out of the closet fulano. Or should I say "fulana"? The class would love to know who you really are. |
OK, OK. I'm Brian Flock.
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I don't hide like you do. |
And I don't talk out of both sides of my mouth, like you do. After all this time, you have STILL refused to answer my question as to
why you are opposed to the Baja Fair Trade proposals.
http://www.bajafairtrade.info/A_Rosarito_Scandal/page_196450...
What have you got against trying to make sure that gringos don't get skinned and flicked by the people who sign your paychecks?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Fulano why are you posting stuff in here that BajaGringo has posted elsewhere. Who cares what he posted elsewhere. |
I care.
| Quote: | | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8And just for the record Fulano regarding BajaGringo's post you brought in from another website. I would have
told her to quiet her Gringa mouth and remember where she is. |
I probably would have too. But, David, I would then not go to a public internet forum for Mexicans and posted my experience and ask all the Mexican's
there if they know any other Americans in Mexico that they want to kick out...and to not be shy about speaking up about it.
| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
My respect goes to him for putting himself on the web as a real person. |
But he is not doing that. Most of what he puts on there is pure BS. That story about him befriending an old man on the beach who abandoned his family
after getting laid-off from his job. About hooking him up with a lady named Gaby and them getting married...it is all pure BS roughly laid-out along
the lines of his own life. He has adult children by a former marriage, even though he says on his website that he was a "lifelong" bachelor until he
met his current wife at a cooking class.
El cobarde y chismosa es BajaGringo. El esta haciendo pendejo aqui y engañando la gente estúpida.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by fulanoOK, OK. I'm Brian Flock |
So, I am accused of selling real estate (which I don't) and it turns out that the one who really sells real estate here is you.
Interesting...
| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
And I don't talk out of both sides of my mouth, like you do. After all this time, you have STILL refused to answer my question as to
why you are opposed to the Baja Fair Trade proposals. |
No Brian, I am not against any of the things that your little band proposes. There were many before you working hard to bring these real estate
standards to the market. People like Hector Bustamante and his father Luis. I have come to know them very well and they are great examples that you
could learn from.
My advice would be that you should take their lead and just work under those principles instead of using them as a "gimmick" in a desperate attempt to
attract buyers in a down market, stepping on everyone else along the way, including Hector and his father Luis. I have a lot of respect for people who
seek to bring positive change in ethical ways. If you could learn to take a similar approach I would become your biggest supporter.
I said it to you before, and I will say it again. Stop by my house and we'll have a drink and talk. No audience, just you and me.
The door is open...
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Hey zeus, Ron. You are such a Pilgrim.
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