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fulano
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If you look around and can't figure out who the sucker is...
...it's you!
OK, first read this editorial that just came out in the Baja Times. It is written by L. Jose Amate Perez, guest editor.
http://www.bajatimes.com/editorial.asp
Some nice stuff, hey? I especially like this line from Jose:
"When crime statistics are factually compared, Baja California is a safer place to be than San Diego –always has been and still is."
Now for the REAL story. L. Jose Amate Perez is an American whose real name is Leroy Joseph Amate. You can read all about him at the
following link. Sit back and kickoff your shoes. It will take awhile to get through it all.
http://www.mexicaland.com/Report%204%20-%20Jose%20Amate.html
[Edited on 7-19-2008 by fulano]
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rpleger
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fulano......Who is mexicaland.com and why are they no longer in business?
Thats a heavy duty article about this guy.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
fulano......Who is mexicaland.com and why are they no longer in business?
Thats a heavy duty article about this guy. |
Mexicaland.com is registered to Aaron Funk, who is the guy who claims to have been totally screwed by Jose and Robert A. Dumas.
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lizard lips
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I have met "Jose" years ago and know people he has screwed over.
It's true, It's not what you know it's who, especially here in Baja........
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You still have to wonder why they stopped updating after 2004? What. did something(scary) happen?
[Edited on 7-19-2008 by Sharksbaja]
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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fulano
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This is rebuttal posted by Leroy Joseph Amate on his website which was later redacted with an apology. It is still in another archive.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060618231721/http://mexicomatte...
It looks alike all the parties were trying to out-screw each other.
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CaboRon
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What a scumbag ....
And the Baja Times appears to be a scumbag realtors rag .....
CaboRon
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Bajajack
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Good work Fulano
Articles like this should be of interest to everyone.
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I thought I read a lot of Spanish posts and press, but I am always amazed of what Fulano brings to the table!
Udo
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
What a scumbag ....
And the Baja Times appears to be a scumbag realtors rag .....
CaboRon |
One of our Nomads writes articles for "realtors rag". Guess who?
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I recall back in the 70's we would often say, "they probably ran away to Mexico", when guessing where murderers and scoundrels went. When I visited in
the early 80's to remote places, at the time like Abrejos, Santa Rosalalita, La Ventana etc... After the long drive down dirt roads for hours on end
we'd end up at a surf point with a fire, happy and alone. Finally, at some point, a english speaking stranger would arrive in the dark, the only
person we'd seen for many many miles, the conversation would turn to how did you end up here, alone? The story of a crime or unpaid taxes or a family
and alimony payments left behind for a life in Baja California would fuel our imaginations. And our thoughts were confirmed, the stories of criminal
expats running away to Baja were true, in some cases. So it seems there are many stories, but surely one common thread is of the criminals who made
their way to Baja California to live.
On the other hand, so many who made it to Baja are the true adventurers who know where to find adventure, where to fish, where to sail and surf and
how to make a margarita. It's no wonder then today, we run into those two types, the pure adventurists and the pure criminals with a common thread,
sitting around a remote fire. I still believe at first that everyone I meet must be an adventurer until I see proof otherwise. Shocking as it is to
me, I have found a large number of criminals have made their life in Baja California in remote outposts and city centers too. They appear well dressed
and with grand stories of success.
I am talking criminals, Federal Penitentiary ex-cons, prosecuted drug dealers, derelicts, Lawyers who scammed millions, all types, many retire to Baja
California and there they persist unable to stop their cyclical behavior. All the while smiling, conniving, their grinning faces greet newcomers with
expectation of a payout.
As a student of psychology I was taught that anti-social and narcistic criminal behaviors wane down after your 40's, that criminals do learn to clean
up their act and can be rehabilitated. That conclusion is not my personal experience in Baja California where criminals are allowed to continue with
few obstacles. I am constantly reminded that human cycles are almost impossible to break and that smiling, charismatic, expats may not be as kind and
well meaning as they present themselves to be. In fact there are more than a few well known smiling super social expats from TJ to Cabo who are
straight up frauds.
These crazy opportunists are to be avoided and easily so, you can recognize them. They are everywhere. In almost every pueblo and bar. If it sounds
too good, if they act passive aggressive, if they shun your choice for notaria, your demands for documentations, your insistence for well crafted
agreements prior to payments then you have a red flag.
Unfortunately the laws , culture and the remote nature of so many pueblos allows these criminals to persist in Baja California while they were run out
of the USA. The reasons they persist is because few victims stand up and document their losses, publicly admit to their role as victim and few pursue
the cases with the bravado of the criminal. Cut your losses and shut up is the general poorly chosen advice in Baja California. Certainly, it seems
something about the system of law seems to protect criminals.
I try to listen carefully to what to people say when we meet new people, they usually reveal their methods, they foreshadow their behavior through
their story-telling and it's clear that patterns, red flags, are repeated seemingly forever til' their death. Its not uncommon to walk into a cantina
and see a well dressed congenial expat who has a compelling story of land and deals. Nor is it uncommon to find out later that there is mixed bag of
truth in the RE stories from these self appointed silky jogging suit wearing agents. One might wager that whenever you meet someone who has a land
deal with broad acreage and presale deals with cash discounts the chance of it being less than it seems it high.
Now I am not saying that all expats living in Baja California are bad, they are not and many are heros in my eyes. But for all the deals I have been
offered from expats in the last 35 years, I took none, most were not what they were presented to be and many times when I tried to accept a
cooperative deal, soon I saw the deal be damaged by actions of the party directly in the face of the agreement seemingly purposely to confuse and
destroy the deal.
Therefore, it seems that those who made their way through Baja California not having bought but instead having invested in and enjoyed only adventure
may have received the best return on their dollar.
Somehow these criminals, RE scammers etc... lurk everywhere and certainly in Baja California too, they can not change their ways, Baja provides them
shelter, chaos and confusion to work within. Now as Baja matures, their actions serve as a stumbling block, certainly we can laugh at the encounters,
or we can cry, some of us learn while there is always another potential victim around the corner.
As a community, it is incumbent upon those who know the facts to speak out to protect our newly arriving neighbors and in turn ourselves. It must be
clear that the criminals and scammers, whoever they may be, have an advantage when we keep quiet. Don't be shy to speak out with skepticism.
Shouldn't we then also, welcome the outing with factual documentation of thieves like those described in these articles, the Real Estate scammers who
exist everywhere in Baja California who have no license and no legal requirements? Shouldn't pursuit of these dundering thieves methods be exposed to
the benefit of our community and finally can't we all agree that Baja California has a very small population comparatively and as a community we must
find ways to work together to reduce the harm these corrupt criminals cause.
If criminals run out of victims and feel pressure of law enforcement they will leave just as they have before. They will go to where the pickings are
easier.
The lack of effective communication within and between communities works to their advantage and to our detriment.
Additionally the criminals use every technique possible to spread false info and confuse facts, They do it here on BN too because they can.
I dream of the things we might do to repeat Real Estate frauds... but shouldn't we leave enforcement to the courts? I dream about sending a message
down the road via tin can on string to avoid the crook, either way I know Baja California, she will exact revenge through her own karmic process.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
What a scumbag ....
And the Baja Times appears to be a scumbag realtors rag .....
CaboRon |
One of our Nomads writes articles for "realtors rag". Guess who?
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Is this something we are voting on 
If I had to pick I would say (based on his website) ELINVEST18
Or (based on her defensiveness) The Gull
Am I close ?
If anyone would like to make nominations just post them ,then we can start a poll. It will be the "Out The Realtors" poll
CaboRon
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comitan
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Just not happy with a 10 peso show you have to have a 50Peso show.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
What a scumbag ....
And the Baja Times appears to be a scumbag realtors rag .....
CaboRon |
One of our Nomads writes articles for "realtors rag". Guess who?
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Is this something we are voting on
If I had to pick I would say (based on his website) ELINVEST18
Or (based on her defensiveness) The Gull
Am I close ?
If anyone would like to make nominations just post them ,then we can start a poll. It will be the "Out The Realtors" poll
CaboRon |
I vote Bajagringo?
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CaboRon
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I stand corrected ...
CaboRon
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Well it ain't me. All I know about real estate is from buying my house back in 1994.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I vote Bajagringo? |
BINGO!
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Well it ain't me. All I know about real estate is from buying my house back in 1994. |
I am happy to hear it.
CaboRon
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shari
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Interesting observations about some ex pats by Gnukid...however, my experiences beg to differ...in 20 years of living and travelling all over baja, in
remote areas and cities....I have NEVER heard an expat brag about being an escaped criminal from the states....I'm sure I have run into them but I
imagine they do not discuss their past with strangers...(in their best interest), nor do I ask them about it. I know they are here and suspect some
loners I have met but have never encountered one who flat out tell people about it.
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bigeye
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A Mexican friend of mine told me what the locals say about the gringos that live in Baja. There are two kinds, the wanted and the unwanted.
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