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tio_foncho
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Americans Invade Tijuana
"Americans Invade Tijuana
El Sol de Tijuana
July 27, 2008
By Sonia Garcia Ochoa
Tijuana Baja California .- While wealthy Mexicans leave Tijuana due to the lack of security and establish their residence in San Diego, poor Americans
are arriving here at the border and moving in, although, as a result of the economic recession, many of them have no work and generate problems of
getting along with their neighbors.
Because poverty is growing in California, especially in San Diego, which leads to the invasion of neighborhoods near the border, this causes a
growing problem for the Mexican government, since Tijuana also has a flow of migrants from Central and Southern Mexico, which adds to the flow coming
from the US.
In addition to that, Playas de Rosarito is a town with more than 7,000 foreigners and Ensenada has had tourist camps with pensioners and retirees from
the United States living there for years, which altogether are part of the responsibility of the Mexican government for services, employment, housing
and wages, but do not pay taxes.
While the National Migration Institute, does not have the powers to prevent so many foreigners from occupying the city; in a short time the influx of
foreginers will create an extra burden for the government of Jorge Ramos Hernandez. "
[the article goes on to discuss that Americans moving in are pricing Mexicans out of the rental market because the landlords, many of them absentee
landlords living n the US, want to rent to Americans who pay in dollars, and pay more than a Mexican can afford.]
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n789332.htm
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Sharksbaja
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I wonder how many of these transplants are of non-mexican heritage. Afterall, Anglos ARE a minority in many SoCal neighborhoods.
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gnukid
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In addition to that, Playas de Rosarito is a town with more than 7,000 foreigners and Ensenada has had tourist camps with pensioners and retirees from
the United States living there for years, which altogether are part of the responsibility of the Mexican government for services, employment, housing
and wages, but do not pay taxes.
While the National Migration Institute, does not have the powers to prevent so many foreigners from occupying the city; in a short time the influx of
foreginers will create an extra burden for the government of Jorge Ramos Hernandez. " |
These statements typify the dualing, conflicting and confusing arguments, false paradigms, propaganda. Do not be baited by such nonsense. We are all,
independents who pay our way.
The Council of Foreign Relations, Obama, Bush, Calderon, Fox etc.. all have stated their plan to cattle run the middle class into a forced Union,
reducing all of our economic power, instilling a fear driven state, in order to transfer wealth and power to a global order driven elite.
Here is a link to the official plan. Consider its affect on you.
http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/Global_Governance_Progr...
http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/Global_Governance_Progr...
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lizard lips
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You have got to be kidding! The author of this crap is on another planet.
Welcome to the immigration problem BONEHEAD
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losfrailes
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In addition to that, Playas de Rosarito is a town with more than 7,000 foreigners and Ensenada has had tourist camps with pensioners and retirees from
the United States living there for years, which altogether are part of the responsibility of the Mexican government for services, employment, housing
and wages, but do not pay taxes.
Lets see if I got this right, 'pensioners and retirees from the United States' are causing a problem because providing services, employment, housing
and wages' but do not pay taxes. Taxes on what. They are not employed are they? And they pay their bills don't they. Doesn't seem like they should
be too much of a burden on the Mexican government.
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tripledigitken
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Americans that own property in Mexico pay taxes.
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Cypress
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losfrailes, You're right on all counts. Who the heck would have a problem with
someone that pays their bills, is polite, behave themselves, and make a positive impact on the local economy?
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Bajaboy
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And let's see, are these people living in Mexico legally. If so, I don't understand the problem.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
losfrailes, You're right on all counts. Who the heck would have a problem with
someone that pays their bills, is polite, behave themselves, and make a positive impact on the local economy? |
That's exactly why they hate us near the border. My mexican neighbors hate every company and system they have to deal with. They rejoice in hiring a
"diablito" to steal their power, they'll tap into each other's phone lines (or intercept their cordless phones) so no TelNor bill, they use fraudulent
sateliite cards even if they do need to re-progam them all the time. They hate to pay up front and honest for anything. In the USA we value the exact
opposite behaviors. Third world.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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bajamigo
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What a crock! Doesn't the alleged reporter know that any gringo here legally has to prove income? Which they then spend here. And as for the
statement, "..altogether are part of the responsibility of the Mexican government for services, employment, housing and wages, but do not pay
taxes....", that is such BS.
Sadly, it's hard to imagine, at least here in Punta Banda, what services we receive from any form of gobierno, except maybe the nice topes they're
dropping all over the peninsula. And I'll bet now that the fat lady has stopped singing in SoCal, many of the "immigrants" from the north are in fact
99% returnees.
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k-rico
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Decent rentals in TJ can be found for 1/2 the price of comparable apartments in San Diego. With a Sentri pass Americans can easily live there and work
in the US. I doubt landlords ask for visas.
And if they don't work (unemployed/retired/lazy/drug addicted/criminals) 1/2 price housing makes it all the easier.
The result, residents who don't pay any taxes to Mexico except sales taxes on the stuff they buy in TJ. I bet most of them are Mexican-Americans who
are comfortable in TJ.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Decent rentals in TJ can be found for 1/2 the price of comparable apartments in San Diego. With a Sentri pass Americans can easily live there and work
in the US. I doubt landlords ask for visas.
And if they don't work (unemployed/retired/lazy/drug addicted/criminals) 1/2 price housing makes it all the easier.
The result, residents who don't pay any taxes to Mexico except sales taxes on the stuff they buy in TJ. I bet most of them are Mexican-Americans who
are comfortable in TJ. |
Don't know about up north , but here in Todos Santos I get stuck with a TEN PERCENT tax on my rent. Who knows where the "H" that money
goes.
None of my Mexican friends pay a "rental" tax ....
CaboRon
[Edited on 7-29-2008 by CaboRon]
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MexicoGringoGuy
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Anyone in Mexico Pays Taxes on a daily basis.. 15% on anything they spend except unprepared food and a few other things!
I dont quite understand the story.. on one hand it says we are hurting things and Have no money, BUT it goes on to say that we are driving the price
of rentals up.. so If we have NO money to contribute to Tijuana, How are we paying the higher rental rates?? Kinda contradicts itself!
I dont work.. I get SSDI, I am on a low income compared to alot of expats, BUT I still bring in more than the average Mexican living in TJ.. So I
know although I dont pat property taxes, I pay 15% of almost my entire income every month.. Not alot, BUT I think it pays for me using the
sidewalks...
I think the story is correct in saying that Wealthy Mexicans are moving North and the Less than Wealthy Americans are moving South More.. (Less than
wealthy American is far from poor Mexican Standards)... BUT I don't think its hurting anything on either side because of either.
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I will repent. I have fired my housekeeper and maintenance man as I was being a burden to the local economy. Also, I will not buy my food in Baja
any longer as that food is only for Mexican locals. I will shop for all items on the US side and bring them back in economic quantities below the
taxation level as I no longer want to be a burden to Governor Osuna.
My increased level of crossing the border will allow me to purchase gas on the US side and therefore leave all the Pemex product for the locals to
consume.
It is likely that I will only spend my money locally at places owned by rich Americans as they take the money into the US and they don't burden the
local economy as much as Mexican owned businesses.
All in all, I feel better about taking these actions as they help the economy instead of hurting it.
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hey gull
i think you get the BIG picture.....mexicans will never understand, tho...
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A lot of gringos in the border area don't bother with visas...
I know some that have moved north from BCS and have given up their FMs. You might say that they illegal ..
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
A lot of gringos in the border area don't bother with visas...
I know some that have moved north from BCS and have given up their FMs. You might say that they illegal .. |
There are gringos in many places in Mexico that do not have paperwork ....
A reason for some is that while you may collect your US Social Security out of the country ...
You may NOT collect Social Security Disability benefits outside of the US ....
Why not allow disabled, many of them veterns, to make a better life off-shore ? 
CaboRon
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Of course you can collect Social Security Disability Benefits outside of the US... You can have your check sent to the nearest consulate if you don’t
have direct deposit! SSDI is an entitlement, and once determined disabled you can go wherever your heart desires (except a few countries like state
sponsors of Terrorism, and Cuba and a few others)... as long as you are not in a restricted country, you can do as you wish!
(I should say that if you don’t qualify for SSDI and only can get SSI, then YOU CANNOT be out of the country for more than 30 days at a time... and
the rules are very strict, because the amount you receive every month depends on your living arrangements, etc... And SSI is NOT an entitlement, it’s
for low income people who did not pay in to the Social Security System enough or at all, who are disabled and cannot work, so it is 100% tax payer
money)
Some people in Baja don’t have an FM3 because they don’t need it here... I personally have an FM-T... which is good for 6 months, so I am legally in
this country... It’s just hard to get bank accounts (almost impossible) etc... BUT I have turned on all my utilities etc without one (got my
Cablemas bill today)...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MexicoGringoGuy
Some people in Baja don’t have an FM3 because they don’t need it here... |
What? Nomad riots have been caused by lesser statements and in two days nobody here has said a word.
Actually, MGG, the same rules apply all over Mexico. The FMs are required in Baja just as they are on the mainland. It's just easier to blend in as
a tourist in areas close to the border.
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rpleger
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MexicoGringoGuy....
I think it's people like you that the article is about....
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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