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SDRonni
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True? Or not???
Are the crimes (kidnapping) actually underreported, as this article states, or is this just rehash of things that have happened in the past, making it
seem bigger than it really is???
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/70293
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DENNIS
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Kidnapping in Mexico has been refined to a high skill. In fact, kidnappers today will contact a prospective victim and give him a chance to pay a
ransom before the crime is commited and not bother with all the messy stuff. Kidnappers are in contact with the victims family and in many cases I
would imagine silence is one of the demands and the crime goes unreported.
I'll read the link later....Gotta go.
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guadalupe
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Dennis is right. Many families never make a police report because of fear of harm to the person who is kidnapped or even later to the family too. It
is much like rape as many of these crimes are not reported and it is difficult to know the real number.
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rpleger
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I don't know this reporter...but I belive that most of the article is true.
feign country? Where is this place?
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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SDRonni
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As far as you know, are they always kidnapping someone with obvious means to pay a ransom? Have you heard of any American retirees, for instance,
getting nabbed? And, yes, I agree, I don't know what a feign country is either!
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lizard lips
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Yes, Yes, and Yes
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SDRonni
As far as you know, are they always kidnapping someone with obvious means to pay a ransom? Have you heard of any American retirees, for instance,
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They do their homework and know who they want to snatch. They wouldn't, in most cases, pick a random target who turns out to be worthless.
No American retirees come to mind but, Japanese businessmen with the maquiladora industry have been popular victims. Just another reason not to wear
your Rolex watch to a c-ckfight.
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Mexicali_Kid
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Bias article.... but on the positive side.....
Maybe all of the gringos who live in Baja and complain about everything will read it ; Hopefully they will pack up and go back to the states.
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Udo
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If I were a kidnapping victim...
My family would pay money just to have them keep me in Mexico!
Udo
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openeyes
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Iraq has nothing on Baja when its comes to kidnapping for $$$. Most americans do not have a clue how dangerous Baja has become since last Oct.(07) I
am always laughing at the tourists who still drive at night through TJ and how many still think that poverty and filth are Mexican culture.
I have been getting Google Mexican crime alerts emailed to me to stay on top of crime there as I head down once a week. I get at least three a day on
Baja alone that would make your hair curl. Being informed is the only way to travel to Baja or L.A.
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Woooosh
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I agree that kidnapping has evolved into an art form. The narco pros use three different teams who don't know each other. One team identifies and
negotiates, the second team does the actual abductions and a third team holds/disposes of the victim depending on how things go. That's the pros. If
some copy-cat druggie deportees are involved it never goes well.
I find the terminology the police use here intersting. People are not "kidnapped", they are "temporarily denied their freedom for the puropose of
robbery." sounds better- huh?
When the kidnappers came for me, they used a plain white van with no plates. They had a team of four. One got out and stood behind the van to take
pictures, the second and third knocked on the door (in a uniform) and waited, and the driver stayed behind the wheel. Luckily a neighbor challenged
them and we weren't home at the time anyway (had left seconds before). Our front cameras were on though and we were able to take the tape to the
police who determined the men were "delinquents who intended to do harm."
I had read that besides the obvious easy-targets, kidnappers prefer targets with kidnap insurance. I have personally looked into such insurance
(Lloyds of London) but the paperwork is crazy and the yearly premiums start at $12K.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
Most americans do not have a clue how dangerous Baja has become since last Oct.(07) I am always laughing at the tourists who still drive at night
through TJ and how many still think that poverty and filth are Mexican culture.
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And you draw your conclusions on American awareness from what source?
What's to laugh about? Is it funny? If you were any kind of a Christian, you'd enlighten these people with your vast depth of knowledge of the area
since they obviously don't know and, of course, you do. But, no. It's more fun to laugh.
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openeyes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
Most americans do not have a clue how dangerous Baja has become since last Oct.(07) I am always laughing at the tourists who still drive at night
through TJ and how many still think that poverty and filth are Mexican culture.
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And you draw your conclusions on American awareness from what source?
What's to laugh about? Is it funny? If you were any kind of a Christian, you'd enlighten these people with your vast depth of knowledge of the area
since they obviously don't know and, of course, you do. But, no. It's more fun to laugh. |
I used to keep a place for fishing in Baja until last year and have lived in SD. for 25 years. I travel to Baja every week because my inlaws live
there and I still like to fish there.
Anyone who does not have their head up their a$$ should be able to figure out what a armpit Baja has become..
Let me guess, You used to live there a couple of hundred years ago amongst the locals but now live in the states but continue to tell everyone what
an expert you are on the subject.
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DENNIS
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You used to fish? How about this....BITE ME.
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openeyes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You used to fish? How about this....BITE ME. |
Great comeback. I think I hear the shuffleboard calling your name.
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DENNIS
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You have no future here.
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openeyes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You have no future here. |
No one has a future in Baja my friend.
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DENNIS
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I'm not your friend.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by openeyes
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You used to fish? How about this....BITE ME. |
Great comeback. I think I hear the shuffleboard calling your name. |
If you really have all that Baja experience you say you do "openeyes" then I would find it amazing that you "just now discovered" Baja Nomad. This is
probably one of the better informed forums online about Baja and for you to come on here with your pompous and flippant attitude right of the gate
only bares your true identity and intentions (or lack thereof). Go and climb back into the hole you just crawled out of and try and come up with a
more creative name next time and better opening post.
This really is like the game of whacking the popping heads that keep re-appearing over the board.
Dennis nailed you so now go away...
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openeyes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm not your friend. |
Do you have any when you do not have any beer.
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