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Border Patrol agent shoots man at US-Mexico line
Border Patrol agent shoots man at US-Mexico line
By ELLIOT SPAGAT – 49 minutes ago
SAN DIEGO (AP) — A U.S. Border Patrol agent shot and wounded a man as agents clashed with a group of rock-throwing assailants, marking the latest
confrontation along a violent stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border, authorities said Wednesday.
Edgar Israel Ortega Chavez was shot Tuesday night in his left buttocks and was in stable condition, according to a spokesman for Hospital General in
Tijuana who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.
Ortega, 22, was found by Mexican authorities on a dirt bank above the spot where the border crosses the dry, concrete-lined Tijuana River basin,
Tijuana police said in a news release.
San Diego police said the shooter was a 10-year Border Patrol veteran but did not release his name.
The Border Patrol said the agent feared getting struck by a rock, but the shooting drew swift criticism from Mexican authorities.
"This incident is of great concern to the government of Mexico," said Remedios Gomez Arnau, the consul general in San Diego. "Under no circumstances
would it be justified to shoot lethal or non-lethal objects to the Mexican side of the border."
The shooting occurred in an area where the U.S. government's border fence parts from the legal boundary, leaving the border marked only by a yellow
stripe painted across the concrete-lined riverbed.
There were conflicting accounts about what happened.
People who said they witnessed the shooting told The Associated Press that more than a dozen people gathered on Mexican soil to plan an illegal
crossing to the U.S., and threw rocks to distract agents. They said Border Patrol agents tried to disperse the crowd with pepper spray bullets.
Jose Maria Martinez, who was with the group, said one agent exchanged his pepper ball launcher for a rifle. The agent then fired three shots from a
concrete post that marks the official border, Martinez said.
"'You want a fight? You want a war? Let's do it,'" Martinez, 52, quoted the agent as saying. "And pow! He got him right away."
A Border Patrol spokesman, Jason Rodgers, declined to comment on Martinez's allegation and said the investigation was ongoing. He stressed that agents
are well-trained and questioned the credibility of the Mexican witnesses, many of whom were trying to get into the country illegally.
Another Border Patrol spokesman, Daryl Reed, said the agent fired his gun on U.S. soil after seeing Ortega wielding a softball-sized rock on Mexican
soil. He said the group hurled rocks at agents from inside the U.S., but returned to Mexico after the Border Patrol used tear gas and pepper
projectiles.
"This agent thought his life was in danger or that his fellow agents' lives were in danger, so he responded," Reed said. "(A rock) is a deadly
weapon."
San Diego police Lt. Terry McManus said the confrontation began when the group hurled rocks and one person failed in an attempt to climb over a fence
just inside the U.S.
The shooting is the latest confrontation near the bustling San Ysidro crossing.
Border Patrol agents routinely get rocks, bottles and bricks thrown at them from people in Tijuana hoping to distract the agents long enough to jump
the fence.
The Border Patrol began firing tear gas and high-impact pepper balls into Mexico last year in response to what it said was an alarming increase in
attacks. San Diego-area agents have been attacked more than 330 times since October, compared with 254 times for the previous 12-month period,
according to Reed.
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If the Mexican gov't would police the border these incidents would not happen.....
The Mexican gov't not only allows this ,, but indeed encourages outlaw behavior by it's citizens ...
These individuals were preparing to violate US soverenty using force ....
Force should be used against them ....
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A few inches to the right it would it be a "BULLSEYE"..
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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He got shot in the butt for heaving a 5-10 pound chunk of concrete over the border fence at an agent- seems fair. Isn't that what Russia woould call a
measured response?
[The Border Patrol began firing tear gas and high-impact pepper balls into Mexico last year in response to what it said was an alarming increase in
attacks. San Diego-area agents have been attacked more than 330 times since October, compared with 254 times for the previous 12-month period,
according to Reed.]
[Edited on 8-14-2008 by Woooosh]
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aha baja
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People don't want to rush in to russia
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Here's a novel approach. Move far enough away so that the rocks can't hit you. Oh, but I guess that would be considered "retreating"!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jodiego
Here's a novel approach. Move far enough away so that the rocks can't hit you. Oh, but I guess that would be considered "retreating"!
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Our guys were on US soil .....
Why should they back off ....
And for your information the assailants started this while they were on US soil...
Don't bring a rock to a gun fight 
CaboRon
[Edited on 8-14-2008 by CaboRon]
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Go throw some rocks at your local police officer and see what happens or anyone carrying a gun for that matter. I'm not sympathetic at all.
Zac
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Go throw some rocks at your local police officer and see what happens or anyone carrying a gun for that matter. I'm not sympathetic at all.
Zac |
I didn't say you were.
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As per their training, it sounds to me like the BP Agent was totally justified. No LE person (or anybody) can be expected to just accept
life-threatening or injurious behavior from assailants. The actions by the Mexicanos was foolish (to say the least)-----actions produce consequences,
and in this case permanent solutions.
The end.
Barry
(edited to correct a spelling error, but there may be more)
[Edited on 8-14-2008 by Barry A.]
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The Mexicans throwing rocks at the U.S. Border Patrol Agents know that they can kill someone if they hit them. Rocks are a form of deadly force. If
these thugs do not want deadly force used upon them they need to stop their deadly behavior. Mexico needs to patrol the spots where these thugs hang
out so they don't throw rocks. If the Mexican communities do not want bullets or pepper spray in their communities they need to notify the Mexican
authorities so they can move in and put a stop to the violence against the agents. I have no sympathy for people who are injured or kill when trying
to hurt law enforcement people in the performance of their duties. Period!
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No sympathy. Should have popped the dude right between the running lights. He
wouldn't return to throw any more rocks or maybe upgrade to a gun.
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The dudes lucky the officer was a good shot and hit him where he aimed. How much more of this cross border b$ are we going to put up with.
The Mexicans need to patrol their side of the line. Try standing on the US side and throw rocks at the Mexican police . The SD county guys would
arrest you on the spot.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican gov't not only allows this ,, but indeed encourages outlaw behavior by it's citizens ...
CaboRon |
sorry to have to say this but get a life
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| Quote: | I agree with Ron that the Mexican Government does like the unrest on the northern border as it keeps the focus away from what a lousy job they do in
running the country.
From handing out maps to the trails into the states to turning a blind eye to the coyotes that prey on the border runners.They are at fault here.
sorry to have to say this but get a life |
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by loki]
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by loki]
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Let me tell you guys what the "real deal" is on the Mexican side of the border, so you can better understand why things are the way they are. First of
all, every inch of that border on the Mexican side is "owned" be one group of coyotes or another. They pay good money to the local cops to leave them
alone and protect their territory. For the cops, this is just a source of additional income.
They don't even view this as something illegal. To Americans, illegal immigration is a legal problem. To Mexicans, it is a human rights issue.
Mexicans believe it is their "right" to go where the money is.
It took one full hour after the Border Patrol shot that kid in the butt for the TJ police to show up. One full hour. What do you think the cops were
doing during that hour? They were probably trying to get ahold of the compa who had the coyote concession in the area to see if this was something
they should get involved with.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alex
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The Mexican gov't not only allows this ,, but indeed encourages outlaw behavior by it's citizens ...
CaboRon |
sorry to have to say this but get a life |
Well Alex,
Do you want to explaine your arcane comment ??
Or are you just taking a shot at me personally .
How about posting a coherent thought ,
Or is that beyond your abilities ...
And the next time you are sorry to say something why don't you just shut your trap before you disclose what a fool you are.
CaboRon
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by CaboRon]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tsgarcia69
Let me tell you guys what the "real deal" is on the Mexican side of the border, so you can better understand why things are the way they are. First of
all, every inch of that border on the Mexican side is "owned" be one group of coyotes or another. They pay good money to the local cops to leave them
alone and protect their territory. For the cops, this is just a source of additional income.
They don't even view this as something illegal. To Americans, illegal immigration is a legal problem. To Mexicans, it is a human rights issue.
Mexicans believe it is their "right" to go where the money is.
It took one full hour after the Border Patrol shot that kid in the butt for the TJ police to show up. One full hour. What do you think the cops were
doing during that hour? They were probably trying to get ahold of the compa who had the coyote concession in the area to see if this was something
they should get involved with. |
Oh oh,
Now get ready to be pounced upon by the keepers of truth here on Nomad for telling it like it is at the border.
They will turn this into a anti-american rant about how mean,nasty and darkhearted our border patrol people are. They will also tell you that these
rock throwing youth are just acting out because of poverty and a lack of education.
They will also say that its because of the american thirst for big oil and our business at any cost attitude that is causing the unrest at the border.
Perhaps some skateboard parks built by the US taxpayers on the Mexican side of the border would get these youths in the right direction.
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I see one of these  in the very near future because of one of these
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tsgarcia69
Let me tell you guys what the "real deal" is on the Mexican side of the border, so you can better understand why things are the way they are. First of
all, every inch of that border on the Mexican side is "owned" be one group of coyotes or another. They pay good money to the local cops to leave them
alone and protect their territory. For the cops, this is just a source of additional income.
They don't even view this as something illegal. To Americans, illegal immigration is a legal problem. To Mexicans, it is a human rights issue.
Mexicans believe it is their "right" to go where the money is.
It took one full hour after the Border Patrol shot that kid in the butt for the TJ police to show up. One full hour. What do you think the cops were
doing during that hour? They were probably trying to get ahold of the compa who had the coyote concession in the area to see if this was something
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Thank's for the information ....
I didn't realize it was a formal criminal enterprize ...
Guess it shouldn't surprise me ....
Always felt the TJ police are as dirty as what is in the sewer.
CaboRon
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