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capt. mike
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can someone help identify where this is?
a picture on pacific side, anyone know where?
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capt. mike
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can it be close to San Juanico?
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Mike,
Its Scorpion Bay. You can see the bar and the break that the surfers love. I have fished off those rocks in the top right of the picture catching a
skate and a large halibut the last time there.
[Edited on 8-17-2008 by palmeto99]
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David K
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Just in case there are non-surfers reading this:
'Scorpion Bay' is San Juanico... see http://www.juanyjuan.com and http://www.scorpionbay.net
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woody with a view
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a better view
eat your hearts out!!!!
         
from some song, "letting the days go by. letting the water hold me down".
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aha baja
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capt. mike
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yeah, i thot so. a pilot from CO.
sent it to me asking if that area to the left that looks like a strip was the Cadeje strip and i told him no as i have been in at Cadeje and know
where it is.
he is meeting some campers there in his plane, San juanico that is. they drive, he flies.
he needs to figure on Cadeje if it's open or drive in from Loreto where he can safely park.
so Q for Juan or others - just what is that strip on the left? did SJ finally get a strip again? i hadn't heard about one.
maybe it's just a section of road.
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Yeah, I'm eating my heart out........stomach churning.....saying....."well, when will you go south??
Great Photos.....Warms the heart.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
sent it to me asking if that area to the left that looks like a strip was the Cadeje strip and i told him no as i have been in at Cadeje and know
where it is.
he is meeting some campers there in his plane, San juanico that is. they drive, he flies.
he needs to figure on Cadeje if it's open or drive in from Loreto where he can safely park.
so Q for Juan or others - just what is that strip on the left? did SJ finally get a strip again? i hadn't heard about one.
maybe it's just a section of road. |
just a dirt road.
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David K
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Mike, the San Juanico airstrip has been 'on and off' for years... Last I read on the (once open to all) Baja Bush Pilots forum, there are tires placed
across the runway when it is closed. So, yes... San Juanico has an airport per Arnold Senterfitt and Galen H... but either tires or rocks are used to
close it down.
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woody with a view
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any of you pilots
wanna land on this strip? good waves, bales of contraband and shadows under the cardon, aplenty.
p.s. notice the trench at the bottom, dug by the soldiers. there were 3-4 of them along this 200' strip.
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capt. mike
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sorry DK but you are wrong and/or misinformed.
Tires?  when closed? has an airport?
in 1986 we held monthly fly ins to san juanico for Sams clinics. That same year the DGAC decided to license all town and ranch strips and regulate
their use thx to USA meddling in their business, good old DEA spooks.
The town's mayor at that time and our liason (Martha? starts with an M ), whose name i can't recall now, back then could not convince the fishing co
op and town to commit to the $3000 us fee for the year, so the military ditched it. This was not TIRES for partial closings - they destroyed the RW!
We moved our operation a tad south to Las Barrancas where the 1700' useable there got a license thx to the Germans who put in the solar experimental
station. Trust me - given a choice we all preferred SJ to LB.
it has not been used since and now has homes near and around, even over where it once was. many have proposed a new strip including a few USA
seasonal residents with vaca homes there who also have planes, but no one has sourced a clear piece of entitled ground on which to do the
improvements.
This is per many discussions with John of JUANYJUAN fame.
So - it was once "on" but has been officially "off" ever since. I have several plane owning friends from Santa Barbara Aeromedicos who run the Cadeje
operation, one a dentist with a C 182 who has a home in san juanico. trust me if he could fly there he would but he like everyone else uses the Cadeje
strip 10 miles away. Any one who has landed close to the town of SJ since the strip lost its entitlement has done so with STOL equip in a taildragger
and used roads or a fractional length of what has been left of it after it became defunct.
Galen's book is woefully outdated since 1997 published with no revisions / updates since and he was notorious for going into closed and illegal strips
for the fun of it. On more than one occasion he had to arrange a quick liftoff scrambling to get off while being chased by federales - he writes about
it!
And Arnold quit his updates with rev no. 17th in mid 80s. he did nada to further BBP after that due to age and health problems. So new Jefe bought the
organization and totally turned it around.
if you could read current skinny on SJ at BBP forums you'd be in a better position to expound. Most of what i say here is found there. i only WISH
someone would do a legal RW there cause i'd be dirt shopping in a heart beat.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Mike, the San Juanico airstrip has been 'on and off' for years... Last I read on the (once open to all) Baja Bush Pilots forum, there are tires placed
across the runway when it is closed. So, yes... San Juanico has an airport per Arnold Senterfitt and Galen H... but either tires or rocks are used to
close it down. |
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David K
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Thanks Mike, it is just that you asked like you didn't know about San Juanico having an airport... so I gave you what I knew... and that is from
Arnold and Galen's books... and from BBP... and perhaps from Juan del Rio or Carlos Fiesta? One or more of them mentioned tires and another mentioned
rocks being moved onto and off of the runway.
Just sharing what I have...
Edit: Here's what is on the Scorpion Bay site:
AIRSTRIPS
San Juanico has been closed for several years with remote prospects for reopening soon.
Cadajé (CDJ) is the closest private airstrip, 13 Km. north of San Juanico. N26°29©^, W112°29©^, 26/08, Elev 210', 2300 feet, fenced, soft on the ends
and the middle, no tie-downs. Rwy 26 faces into the prevailing winds. Permitted through 8 Sept. 2004. Landing requires advanced permission to clear
obstructions and assure attendance. This strip has been permitted and maintained for the Aeromedicos from Santa Barbara who hold a monthly free
clinic.
If you are staying with us at Scorpion Bay and wish to use the Cadejé airstrip please make your request by entering all the information required on
the request form here. Someone will get back to you.
On arrival, it is very important that you fill out the landing and departure manifest form completely and legibly.
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I just saw the photo you posted, it was from Juan Y Juan's San Juanico web site... sure looks like the photo you posted Mike?:
[Edited on 8-17-2008 by David K]
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capt. mike
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no problemo here, am doing the same - stating what i believe to be real data.
frankly i would love to be wrong, i hope i am respective to there actually being a strip there, tire blocked or not.
perhaps John or Carlos will post.
since aviation around baja is my only area of limited expertise relevant to this forum, i am pretty fluent on what is going on. tons of resources out
there really. i wasn't questioning the status quo as much as i perhaps was extending my incredulity over it respective to SJ
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David K
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Yah, it would be nice if a tourist destination like Scorpion Bay had an open runway... we can only hope!
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Sorry guys but I disagree. With the airstrip come the commercial surf tours and even more overcrowded conditions. I used to dread seeing the tour
plans circle over the bay. I for one am glad there no airport and hope there never is.
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David K
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Then a sign should read "Pilots need not apply" (or surf)!
San Juanico had a airstrip before you surfers took it over and renamed it Scorpion Bay, by the way!
The fly in surf tours will continue to go to Isla Navidad, Punta San Carlos or places where the runways remain open and people are friendly and don't
keep the waves to themselves, I think.
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capt. mike
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good analysis DK.
it is only a matter of time before SJ gets an airstrip again.
sorry BIG WHOOP but ya can't keep parts of baja from changing.
market forces will dictate demand which will force supply's hand.
SJ is airport bound trust me. Too many fliers already going there and will build/buy homes for vaca.
then it will be like - ok, who will spring for chipping in to build and maintain a RW? and several well heeled hands (feet?) will go up and Voila'!
airstrip!
2 day drive from Socal becomes 3 hour flight. Time machines. weekend trips now can work. get the surfing in and not miss work.
it happens for people who's time is valuable.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
BIG WHOOP but ya can't keep parts of baja from changing.
market forces will dictate demand which will force supply's hand. SJ is airport bound trust me. Too many fliers already going there and will build/buy
homes for vaca.
then it will be like - ok, who will spring for chipping in to build and maintain a RW? and several well heeled hands (feet?) will go up and Voila'!
airstrip! 2 day drive from Socal becomes 3 hour flight. Time machines. weekend trips now can work. get the surfing in and not miss work.
it happens for people who's time is valuable. |
I guess we live in different worlds. I value my time as much as the next guy and certainly wouldn’t waste it in the place you describe above. Good
luck with that dream vacation.
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Oh Wooo you got suckered in. Remember, they're never going to get it anyway. Now get back to work and do something valuable with your time. The fees
for the commandante's "keep the airstrip closed fund" are going up and we need to earn some extra $$ to pay them.
By the way, everyone knows how unfriendly you (of all people) are, keeping those waves to your self like that.
Summer in San Juanico
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