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BornFisher
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very sad video on Sea Of Cortez reefs
found this on "Bloodydecks" web site-----
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eWlzy5Pko
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Cypress
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BornFisher, Thanks for the video. It's all too true.
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mariposajim
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Sad, but true. We on the US west coast have lost our salmon stocks. The MLPAs in California will help in the long run.
Jim
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Packoderm
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Nobody can do anything about it because the complaining from the suspended harvests would be worse than the effects of the lost species. Nobody
complains once it's gone. Could you imagine the reaction that would have been generated by the action required to have saved the fish stocks on the
northern section of the Eastern coast? We just have to let it all go.
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Fisher, thanks for digging that up. It can be a reminder of just how many Seas of Cortez there are. Skeet sees huge schools of pelagic fish on the top
two feet and reckons the fishing is better than ever -- it is for him and those lucky enough to be right place, right time, right gear when they're
hungry. Skeet cannot see the other Sea of Cortez, the bottom two feet fished by visiting gringos who once caught "all they wanted" with hook and line
and lure and bait. That's where the fights start -- for them the fishery has gone to hell steadily -- no one could fail to recognize the decline and
demise of an eco system once brimming with life of all kinds and shapes and sizes. Looks like us "old trollers" might be the last to feel things
finally slipping away forever.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
We just have to let it all go. |
Are you NUTS ??
What a defeatest attitude .....
People can make a difference ....
And believe me, a lot of people have complained about the depletion of our fish stocks ....
You are a negative person ....
CAboRon
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Packoderm
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"You are a negative person ...."
I'm not usually negative in general. However, I'm not optimistic in this case. Sure, something could be done, but it will not. In cases like this, we
seem to need to learn things the hard way after the fact when it is too late - especially if there are financial interests at stake. Please don't
misconstrue my defeatism for lack of concern. I feel the same way about human overpopulation and other such issues.
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Very sad indeed. Over the years I've watched the same thing happen to Bahia Conception which is also supposedly protected from gill nets. I've sent
this video to many people, but the politicians are the ones that should see it.
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Vince, Yea, it's not good. The politicians would all agree that something needs to be done. They'd continue to talk the issue to death. In all
honesty, politicians have always been long on talk, short on action.
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Just an idea. Do you think these fisher men are working the reefs because the big fish they use to catch, out in the Sea of Cortez are gone? The long
liners with their long nets took them all?
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ArvadaGeorge
Just an idea. Do you think these fisher men are working the reefs because the big fish they use to catch, out in the Sea of Cortez are gone? The long
liners with their long nets took them all? |
Offshore fishing mostly requires bigger boats. Dorado and billfish are, in theory, protected from commercial harvest, leaving mostly tuna and sharks.
Shark populations are depleted, and tuna fishing requires large seiners.
The inshore gillnets require less time and fuel; some nets are set by fishermen from fishcamps on the islands. You can visit a hut at such a camp on
Isla Carmen complete with piled up gillnets, despite being in a marine park. On the peninsula shore, gillnets can be set with very little fuel. One
guy used to set a net along a pier at Nopolo without even needing a boat before a storm destroyed the pier.
And long liners are not net fishers. They use long monofilament lines with many baited hooks. Panga long lines may be a few miles long, and larger
commercial boats may use longlines in excess of 50 miles long. Recent proposed changes in Mexican fishing laws may lift restrictions on longlining and
allow more longlines, closer to shore, and their capture of dorado and billfish.
The relatively new boss of the Loreto Marine Park has expressed concern with the nets and fish camps, and a new management plan may be in the works. I
have no idea whether to be optimistic or cynical.
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Sad to watch that video 
A few years back we were camped at Requeson and watched a couple of guys launch a panga from the beach and paddle it out because it had no motor. They
went just a few hundred feet out from the 'island' and set a net. The next morning they paddled back out and came back with 15-20 small rays. I
watched with binoculars from down the beach as they cut off the ends of the wings and then used a tin can they cut in half to punch out 'scallops'
which one of them later that afternoon tried to sell me.
It was obvious that these particular individuals were trying to stay alive and feed their families but it was hard to witness. At one point we
actually talked about going out the next night and finding the net and cutting it up.
MAGA
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rpleger
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I have forwarded the video to all my fishing buddies...thank you for posting
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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A few years back were were in B of LA fishing in Aug. It was too hot so we went snorkleing, we came across area on Isla la Ventana that had been
stripped clean of oysters, not one left, this was a large area. We talked to a Sailboart anchored near and found out that the day before a couple of
Mex divers had worked the area, leaving not one survivor to replenish the stock. How long can any species last with this kind of onslought?
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Nobody can do anything about it
We just have to let it all go
THE REAL CRIME IS THAT PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. AND DON'T GIVE ME "IT'S THEIR COUNTRY" BS - THE FISH, THE REEFS, THE HEALTH OF OUR
PLANET THAT SUSTAINS US, BELONGS TO EVERYONE AND IT'S EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE OUR PLANET - WHICH IS OUR HOME - STAYS VIABLE. YOU CAN DO
SOMETHING. WHY DON'T YOU DO IT? HOW DID THE ISLANDS OFF LA PAZ BECOME PROTECTED? BECAUSE NORTHAMERICAN-BASED CONSERVATION ORGANIZATIONS BOUGHT IT. YES
- MONEY FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD - FROM INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER WHO SUPPORT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. THIS VIDEO SHOULD MAKE YOU ALL ILL - IT IS
A TESTAMENT TO THE IGNORANCE OF THOSE WHO DESTROY - AND DON'T GIVE ME "FEED THEIR FAMILIES" BS. HOW SHORTSIGHTED AND STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO
DESTROY THE VERY THING THAT YOU DEPEND ON TO LIVE? IF THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO SEE THE VIDEO, THEN SEND IT TO THEM. SEND IT TO 1,000 PEOPLE
WHO CAN OR SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. JOIN A CONSERVATION GROUP WHO DOES DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SHOW UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. TAKE PERSONAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
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Don Alley
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Seawatch also has videos in Spanish:
http://www.seawatch.org/video/play_movie?m=tesoro_sin_protec...
http://www.seawatch.org/video/play_movie?m=redes_que_matan.a...
http://www.seawatch.org/video/play_movie?m=mar_en_agonia.asx
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tsgarcia69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
AND DON'T GIVE ME "FEED THEIR FAMILIES" BS. HOW SHORTSIGHTED AND STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO DESTROY THE VERY THING THAT YOU DEPEND ON TO LIVE?
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It's easy to be indignant when your belly is full. But when you live in a poor country and all you can muster to eat each day is 1,000 calories when
your body need 2,000, your view of the world gets very "shortsighted"; like in "where's my next meal?"
Remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs? After breathing comes eating. Conservation isn't even on the list of needs. This problem can't be fixed because
Mexico is too poor. If you want the overfishing problem to go away, you need to raise the standard of living in Mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Nobody can do anything about it because the complaining from the suspended harvests would be worse than the effects of the lost species. Nobody
complains once it's gone. Could you imagine the reaction that would have been generated by the action required to have saved the fish stocks on the
northern section of the Eastern coast? We just have to let it all go. |
The sardine industry in Monterey early last century collapsed when they'd overfished the species. The sardines did come back after a while...will
that be the case in Loreto?
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If overfishing is the only reason for the decline, the fisheries can and in most cases will rebound when given a chance. Each species is different of course and has certain unique requirements, some of
which we may or may not even be aware of.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tsgarcia69
It's easy to be indignant when your belly is full. But when you live in a poor country and all you can muster to eat each day is 1,000 calories when
your body need 2,000, your view of the world gets very "shortsighted"; like in "where's my next meal?"
Remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs? After breathing comes eating. Conservation isn't even on the list of needs. This problem can't be fixed because
Mexico is too poor. If you want the overfishing problem to go away, you need to raise the standard of living in Mexico. |
Nonsense.
The standard of living there has risen dramatically recently, and there are help wanted signs all over town. So much work that they are importing
workers from the mainland.
The idea that these people MUST devastate the fishery to eat is just plain ignorant. They are doing it to sell to the fish markets for cash. These
fisheries didn't exist for the first 250+ years people have lived there, they came after the highway.
"all you can muster to eat each day is 1,000 calories when your body need 2,000" No. It's not for calories, it's for money.
And the equivalent of eating one's seed corn does not reduce hunger, but increases hunger. Talk to the people in Loreto who do not have boats. That's
most of them. Ask them how much fish they eat. Cabrilla, pargo... they cost more than beef now. They talk of days when they could get their meals
right off the shore in front of town, and be picky about what they took, but those days are long gone. Overfishing for export and profit is lowering
the standard of living and increasing the local price of food.
What's happening to the reefs is inexcusable. So what's next, defend the poor meth makers and dealers? They need to sell drugs to feed their families?
Governments have responsibilities to manage the commons and the government is not doing that. Increasingly, people-Mexican and foreign-are demanding
that government act.
[Edited on 8-18-2008 by Don Alley]
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