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ELINVESTIG8R
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IF I WERE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO THIS IS HOW I WOULD CLEAN IT UP. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN?
NOTE: This is a very simplified version on how to clean up Mexico. Many additional elements will have to be in place before attempting such a move,
like obtaining the cooperation of the United States and the countries of Belize and Guatemala. Also how to come up with sanitized police to leave
behind once an area is cleaned out. This is just put out here as food for thought and is not the only solution. I have included a map of Mexico
depicting a rudimentary troop deployment. Nothing is in concrete and all can be modified as needed.
I would call it: Operación Marcha de Justicia (Operation March of Justice)
If I was the President of Mexico I would assemble the leaders of the Legislative and Judicial Branches of Government to consult with them to determine
my powers to clean up Mexico. If I am legally authorized to suspend the constitution and civil liberties of the people I would then assemble all of my
senior General Officers from each branch of my Armed Forces and all the heads of my federal law enforcement.
Each would be subjected to a polygraph to confirm they have not been corrupted. All will confer with each other to determine the logistics of how to
take back and clean up Mexico from the criminal element starting at the borders of Guatemala and Belize trekking NorthWest toward the state of Baja
California. I will use all of my Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, all of their reserves and Federal Law Enforcement.
Once in place at the aforementioned borders I will make an official declaration of war against the cartels and criminal element plaguing Mexico and
invoke Article 29 of the Mexican Constitution suspending all rights, establish martial law and curfews.
My Armed Forces will commence a sweep across Mexico searching every home every rancho every building and under every rock arresting and/or killing the
heads of the cartels and their henchmen. Once each state has been cleaned out I will restore the constitution and leave behind a "Clean" Municipal,
State and Federal Police force to keep the ground my military has cleaned out.
[Edited on 9-3-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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Sign me up for the bandwagon and the petition signature drive.
However, I would add the ability of gun ownership for personal protection to stop the kidnappings and extorsion.
Udo
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From what I've read there are Black Hummers & Suburbans all over the mainland that nobody messes with I wonder why, it would be simpler to just
confiscate all the Black Hummers & Suburbans with the people on board.
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BAJACAT
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legalize all drugs,then the Narcos will become honest bussines mans...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT
legalize all drugs,then the Narcos will become honest bussines mans... |
EXACTLY
then that tax revenue could:
 go towards rehabilitation to get addicts off drugs
go towards ecucation and preventative measures to stop folks from
trying drugs
take the burden off small businesses and personas who are registered
to pay taxes, currently a persona fisica (regular person) paye 27% of their income + another 16% of what's left over in their account if they cannot
show it is an operating expense and that adds up to 43%!!! we are drowning in taxes and RECEIVE NADA for it!
and of course this additional revenue would stimulate business and
thus the entire economy, more tourism and more opportunity.
Mexico could pay off all of its debts with this new revenue.
Mexico could invest the revenue in their energy sector.
etc....
instead Mexico prefers to export all of its able bodied adults so they can send remittances back to the very people that the Mexican government should
be taking care of. the young keep going north while little children are left behind and the old care for them. these kids are growing up and their
elderly serrogate parents canot handle them. there are no decent jobs here, they can't make a living wage, no educational opportunities, so they turn
to drug use and drug sales to help themselves economically. This is failure not success. a failed state.
I don't think the president or the government can do anything if its people to not require them to. its up to the people, not the president.
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Unfortunately, like the US, foreigners are not eligable to stand for President in Mexico. 
Infact it's illegal to even attend/support a political rally and you run the risk of being thrown out of the country.
But yes, I think drugs should be legalised and taxed accordingly and the money spent educating and rehabilitating etc.
At present the drugs trade is "underground" and as such cannot be controlled!!!
As you were.
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Every month, Mexico drifts closer to a failed state status and a sweeping military takeover is the only way they will save the country. The average
Mexican is not going to push for the needed reforms as they are scared to scold their own government. Suspend the constitution and put marshall law in
place is the only answer as the road they are on now is a slow winding one into civil war. Check out the history of Columbia and chart its
downfall.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | starting at the borders of Guatemala and Belize trekking eastward |
toward the state of Baja
California. |
god help us.....we're doomed.
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I applaud you for trying to put a complex issue up for discussion.
My first thought is that your plan is doomed on the first step though - the polygraphs. You might have to preface any polygraph questions with "in
the past two years since Calderon has taken office have you ever..." If you go back any further than two years- they are all guilty of corruption and
cronyism or they wouldn't have made it that far.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja-Brit
Unfortunately, like the US, foreigners are not eligable to stand for President in Mexico.
Infact it's illegal to even attend/support a political rally and you run the risk of being thrown out of the country. |
Wrong, you can not support a political party which would hurt the state or attempt to hurt the state. So you can support ideals,
the people, children and families, you can be a part of social action you just can not choose a candidate to run against the party in power. You can
support the people in power and encourage the action you want or simply choose a cause and support it as long as its not hurtful or divisive. This is
far different than the excuse many people make for not participating in the community.
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But yes, I think drugs should be legalised and taxed accordingly and the money spent educating and rehabilitating etc. |
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At present the drugs trade is "underground" and as such cannot be controlled!!! |
Wrong, drug trade is not
underground? Do you think marijauna, cocaine, meth etc are transported in the back of a vw baja buggy? Do you think street dealers transport drugs and
launder the funds? Do street dealers have planes? Do street dealers own banks that launder billions? Do you read the paper? They report who is
caught... Drug trade is made possible by a vast integral network who benefits greatly from illegal drugs, prisons, laundering of funds. This is not
some big crazy underground mystery. There is a massive controlled plan, and this is it, this is the system, this is how it works and its clear who
profits.
[Edited on 9-2-2008 by gnukid]
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beercan
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Dreamer--anytime the gummint gets involved it gets bigger and
and more taxes--we have bootleg (illegal tobacco, & liquor ) to prove that point !!
| Quote: | by baja brit
But yes, I think drugs should be legalised and taxed accordingly and the money spent educating and rehabilitating etc. At present the drugs trade is
"underground" and as such cannot be controlled!!!
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there oughta be a revolution..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
| Quote: | | there oughta be a revolution.. |
| Quote: | | VIVA LA REVOLUCION! |
AMEN! |
Udo
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I have been going to Baja and Mexico Mainland since 1967.
I have been hearing the same ole Bull Puckey since that time>
Revolution!! Revolution!! Arn't you afraid of Living in Mexico!!
You will lose your Property and get thrown in Jail!!!
Same ole BS. When are you Young Senseless, Fearful Cry Babies going to Learn: There is nothing you can Change in Baja or Mexico.
It is not you Country!!
You are not going to Change It!!!
I would suggest that you use your Efforts in South Central La, East La, Oakland, Calif. Phoenix As, Detroit and of ocourse San Francisco{They need
all the Help they can get}.
Skeet/Loreto {An Ole timer and Proud of It!!}
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If I were the President of Mexico, I'd announce a pro-active, four-point plan that would address the issues and grievances that pertain to the
electorate. This would involve many conferences that would require a sizable travel budget for my elected supporters. Funds for drug enforcement would
be gleaned from taxes which would then be entrusted in my care for accountability. Of course this anti-narcotics plan would require much of our
attention so that other social concerns would need to be deferred for the foreseeable future. I'd caution against legalizing drugs because that would
be extremely detrimental to those who are most in need of the profits generated from the drug trade thus reducing financial contributions made from
them on my personal financial behalf. It's very complicated.
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Two things come to mind:
1-Gun ownership by ANYONE. It's now the classic case of only criminals having REAL guns.
2-a significant reward for people who turn in drug cartel members. There are countless mothers and wives and grown children of cartel members who live
off the proceeds that members of cartels send their way. Even though they know that their baby boys, spouses are engaging in murder, kidnapping, etc.,
they are dependent on the income. MAKE THE REWARD ENOUGH FOR THEM TO LIVE ON FOR 5-10 YEARS AT A BASIC SUBSISTENCE LEVEL. AND CONVINCE THEM THAT THEIR
SIGNIFICANT OTHERS ARE NO LONGER HUMAN BEINGS......THEY ARE ANIMALS/INSECTS THAT NEED TO BE EXTERMINATED FOR THE GOOD OF MEXICO. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
This would be more effective than trying to infiltrate the cartels with moles.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Two things come to mind:
| Quote: | | 1-Gun ownership by ANYONE. It's now the classic case of only criminals having REAL guns. |
| Quote: | I second the motion of private gun ownership. I think the Mexican Feds outlawed private gun ownership just after Pancho Villa as a way to prevent
revolutions. If the narcos had an idea that their neighbors were able to defend themselves, they would not be so bold in their attempts to silence
people from turning them in. |
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Having had time to ponder the above solution, something else has come to mind.
Both sides of the border have to be attended to and cleaning one side without cleaning the other would be futile. The rank and file of the illicit
drug enterprise, especially in the US, have little fear of incarceration and view it as nothing more than summer camp where they can hang with their
scummy friends and get cheap tattoos. The punishment isn't a determent but, an occupational hazard.
Punishment must be enhanced to give it a true, undesirable quality but, civil rights stand in the way of this procedure so what I'm proposeing is a
prison exlusivly for the drug trade folks which is outside the jurisdiction of the ACLU and the Ninth District Court of appeals. A prison which is
meant to be feared for the life it affords inside the walls. A prison which doesn't allow the word "Rights."
Both Mexico and the US should cede an adjoining parcel of land on the border, fifty square miles total perhaps, and build a prison that would be
designed in Hell. The territory wouldn't be in Mexico nor the US and would be administered by a private agency hired to maintain a strict decorum. A
very strict decorum. Prisoners should enter through the company cemetary with graves hand-hewn to the size of a ziplock bag full of ashes, and
prevailing breezes, if there are any, would waft a telltale exhaust from the incenerator.
Who would pay for this? Well, who pays for it now? Everybody pays for it and all the proceeds of saleable confiscations [not to include drugs]
would be used to defray expenses.
The punishment today doesn't fit the crime. Perhaps it did somewhere in the past but, today it doesn't. That is what needs to be fixed. With our
new prison in place, the problem would slowly abate and the Prison could be downsized according to need and it may even become a tourist attraction
like Alcatraz.
The biggest problem we have today is not the illicit drug industry. It's our failure to convince them that they shouldn't be doing what they're
doing.
Edited to get the prison name correct
[Edited on 9-2-2008 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | | It's our failure to convince them that they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. |
a co-worker/friend of mine spent 5 years locked up at Islas Marias prison. he says the problem is there are too many people who would rather have the
chance at living large and maybe dying in a hail of bullets or having their head become detached from their body than to live a miserable existence as
a poor mexican with no hope of a better life.
quite the argument......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
a co-worker/friend of mine spent 5 years locked up at Islas Marias prison. he says the problem is there are too many people who would rather have the
chance at living large and maybe dying in a hail of bullets or having their head become detached from their body than to live a miserable existence as
a poor mexican with no hope of a better life.
quite the argument...... |
If that's the price which they deem equitable, they should be called upon to pay it. Unusual problems require unusual solutions.
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