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BajaBad
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Baja California is Northern Baja, Baja Norte an OK distinction????
Argh.
This is not a grammar question or fact question - know that Baja California is the correct name for state north of Guerrero Negro, Baja California Sur
refers to the state south of GN dividing line... And that The Baja California Peninsula or "Lower California" are the only two correct, official
names for the entire peninsula.
The issue is in writing about Baja - for those new to the Peninsula, not long-time, experienced travelers with an encyclopedic knowledge of the area
(like quite a few nomads!) - it is extremely confusing to say 'Baja California' and mean northern Baja. Most - if not all newbies would think I was
referring to the entire Peninsula.
Sooooooooooo - is it so 'wrong' so to speak, to clearly state the correct, official names (above), and then refer to Northern Baja as Baja Norte,
Southern Baja as Baja Sur, so as to clearly denote there are two states/parts to Baja, south and north. 
Or is this another 'nails on a chalkboard' issue for some?
BajaBad
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Bruce R Leech
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the Baja California peninsula. has 2 states, Baja California Sur, and Baja California. if it is confusing to you readers then refer to Baja California
as the state of Baja California.
Bruce R Leech
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vandenberg
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Hey Bruce,
Thanks,
That sure clears it up.
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gnukid
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we always say 'otro lado' for the next town...
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Bajajorge
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Just call it BCN and BCS.  
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David K
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A) Baja California (Lower California) = The peninsula and area south from the California, USA border.
The peninsula was the original California, named by the Spanish who believed it to be an island. When it was discovered to be a peninsula, the land
Spain claimed north from the peninsula was known as Alta (Upper) California.
Eventually, the two parts of California were known as Alta California and Baja California. When the Americans purchased Alta California after the
Mexican War, 'Alta' was dropped from the name. The Mexican territory was Baja California and later divided into two political regions at the 28º
parallel.
B) Baja California = The name of the Mexican state which is the part of Baja California between the USA border and the 28º parallel line of latitude.
Often refered to as 'Baja California Norte' when discussing both states of the peninsula.
C) Baja California Sur = The name of the Mexican state which is the part of Baja California south from the 28º line. Statehood was gained in 1974,
shortly after the completion of the Transpeninsular Highway, the first paved road to connect the northern half with the southern half of the
peninsula.
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BajaBad
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David K I can see why you are a 'platinum' nomad  The 'alta' and 'baja'
are clearly understood now.
Will update book (and cra*& , 100 pages will not be much fun) but there is still a lot of discrepancy... just trying to decide on best way to
denote --
BCS - Baja California Sur -- correct, everyone agrees
BCN - Baja California Norte ??? I know this is commonly used. Yet if we keep to official names, shouldn't it be 'BC' - Baja California? And of
course, that could be confused with British Columbia...
Also, Baja Sur is used all the time... and no one says that it is 'incorrect' - but if we keep to official, correct designations, shouldn't it always
be Baja California Sur.
If Baja Sur is common and OK to use, why not Baja Norte? Both are not 'officially' correct, but accurately (and unoffensively) refer to geographic
areas/states.
Argh. Just trying to clarify my thoughts & rationale -- BajaBad
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Pappy Jon
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The grammer police has been called.
Baja California Sur is OK.
Baja California norte is OK.
Baja California Norte is not OK.
Capitalize the name of a State or accepted region (North America for instance).
If using sur or norte to point to a direction it does not get capitalized.
Another example is southern California and northern California. Neither are states (yet), but are frequently used designations.
[Edited on 9-10-2008 by Pappy Jon]
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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MrBillM
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Being Correct
Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja
Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte.
Incorrect enough ? If not, let me know.
On the long list of importance, this doesn't make the first Million.
Baja Norte
Baja Norte
Baja Norte
Baja Norte
And so forth.
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vandenberg
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William,
You're not imbibing, are you ?
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DENNIS
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Well, what do you think, Bill? Is Baja Norte acceptible?
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MrBillM
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Baja Norte
OK by me.
Wait, is that OK ?
Given the state of the English Language today, this could be a swamp.
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DENNIS
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Ed's right. You're seriously into it.
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Ken Cooke
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To me, Baja Norte almost seems to connotate Alta California. This could be confusing..
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MrBillM
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Alta California ?
I guess it's easy for some to get confused. Personally, I haven't met ANYONE who ever confused Baja Norte with Alta California, but I suppose they're
out there.
"Alta California" ? Would that be North of San Francisco ? Wait, that would mean Los Angeles was in Baja California. Come to think of it, walking
the streets in L.A., you would think that to be the case.
What about Baja Oklahoma ?
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Come to think of it, walking the streets in L.A., you would think that to be the case. |
Which is why I like it here so much. I got **FREE** Spanish lessons from my co-workers (Mexican & Nicaraguan), and at work today, I got to hear
about ways of preparing Pollo Mole with **PEANUT BUTTER**.
I love it here, and I don't ever want to leave...except maybe to travel "The Baja."
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Pappy Jon
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The heck with you. I'm having a Pacifico. 
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja
Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte Baja Norte.
Incorrect enough ? If not, let me know. |
[Edited on 9-11-2008 by Pappy Jon]
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
What about Baja Oklahoma ? |
Who wrote that book?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Pollo Mole with **PEANUT BUTTER**.
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Let me know when they perfect the mole and jelly sandwich.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
David K I can see why you are a 'platinum' nomad The 'alta' and 'baja'
are clearly understood now.
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Stick around a little more................the platinum status will become clearer.
But if you're interested in selling books, he's yer man.
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