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howat
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Orchard Vacation Village in Mulege?
How did the Orchard Vacation Village in Mulege fare during the last two Mulege River floods? Sure looks online as a beautiful place to stay. I've
been camping in Concepcion Bay on-and-off for the past 25 years and getting provisions in the town of Mulege (Pacificos at the deposito). Always been
intrigued by the sites along the river and wanted to stay there someday. My last camping trip down there at EcoMundo was just before TS John. I'm
getting a little too old to camp in the dirt now and would prefer a house to stay in short and eventually long-term. Retiring in less than 400 days
after a long career but whose counting.
Dennis
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | | Retiring in less than 400 days after a long career but whose counting. |
seems like you are....and congrats!
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Baja&Back
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EcoMundo is now kaput.
Orchard has a number of casitas to rent, large & small. They have a gorgeous palapa house to rent right on the river (depending on how muddy it
is).
Try Ricardo at
P.O. Box 24
Mulegé, B.C.S., Mexico
Tel: 01152 (115) 30300
Fax: 01152 (115) 30109
Email: orchardvvv@prodigy.net.mx
Hope this helps.
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Bruce R Leech
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if it is hurricane season I would stay at Bob and Susan's place.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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CasaManzana
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To answer your "about the flood" question-
Julio, of three weeks ago, sent about 4-6 feet of water through most (if not all) of the houses there, but Lowell of this week did nothing. Because
the Julio water was much slower passing through, and less of it, the mud removal work was greatly reduced.
Things are expensive, but at least we get a free trip around the sun once a year
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bill erhardt
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howat...... Here is a photo I took in the Orchard two days after hurricane John in 2006. If you look closely you can see the high water line across
the second story window of what remains of the house in the center. Somebody posted on this forum a couple of weeks ago that high water in the river
from tropical storm Julio last month was ony 3' shy of that of John. If you are thinking of buying property in the Orchard, I'm sure you will find
plenty of willing sellers
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howat
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Thanks for the replies. That picture is sure worth a 1000 words. I'm heading down to Mulege 3/09 for my LAST annual baja vacation. After that I'm
on a permanent vacation. Spent the last two years checking out at either BOLA or Puerto Marina La Salinas areas. However, Mulege is pulling on me
more than all the areas both north & south of there cuz of its local ombiance, friendly people and excellent fishing. I live in San Diego, moor my
trailerable boat in SD Bay and fish or lobster 1-2 times a week.
Definately will do a more through research of the Mulege area this time around including the river. Sure would be nice to have a mooring spot for my
boat next to the house. Getting spoiled in my old age. Might even buy Bruce a beer for some info.
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Cypress
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howat, Agree with your thoughts of Mulege with one exception. The fishing isn't
worth hauling a boat down there for, you'll ignore my advice, but you'll remember it.
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bill erhardt
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howat..... You may want to consider putting a T-top on your boat before you trailer it down. It does get hot down here in the summertime. And, I
agree with Cypress. If fishing will be your main interest during retirement, Mulege is not the place to go.
[Edited on 9-12-2008 by bill erhardt]
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Diver
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Mulege is wonderful but check out San Lucas / San Bruno/ Chivato area.
If you're coming to fish, you'll probably end up that-a-ways anyway.
Nice boat for Baja !
Maybe add a T-top for the heat !?
I like the bait tank and twin beer coolers with spill washer ! 
And those padded rails make leaning over the side for "relief" much more comfy ! 
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capt. mike
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hey...
i know a place you could rent long term or short term in the orchard..
just talked to the owners yesterday
all ready to go
u2u me
Bob, i need the scoop for month of Nov. i'll you to you you too.
man that sounds weird when you say it.....
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
www.facebook.com/michael.l.goering |
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Bob and Susan
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that IS a NICE boat...
it sure won't look like that long if you move it to mexico
mine does but it sleeps in the garage
you really should get at least bimini tops for the sun
the more shade you have the better...for your "old age"
santa rosalia is the only local place that has slips but you won't want to live there... IMHO
"San Lucas / San Bruno/ Chivato " are only minutes from mulege in that boat
well...maybe "60 minutes"
if you launch and retrive you'll sleep better...no wind worries
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Pescador
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I am always suspicious when I see a boat that is that clean and no fish blood.
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
howat, Agree with your thoughts of Mulege with one exception. The fishing isn't
worth hauling a boat down there for, you'll ignore my advice, but you'll remember it. |
Don't they hold a Dorado tournament there? Is the fishing that bad? I didn't know that.
Bob H
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
howat, Agree with your thoughts of Mulege with one exception. The fishing isn't
worth hauling a boat down there for, you'll ignore my advice, but you'll remember it. |
Don't they hold a Dorado tournament there? Is the fishing that bad? I didn't know that.
Bob H |
how does one spell, "sarcastic?"
edit: i'm sure Pompano can show him around......
[Edited on 9-13-2008 by woody in ob]
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toneart
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Howat,
There will always be the naysayers.
No, the fishing is not that bad. It is not like the old timers remember, but there are lots of us fishing and it is good.
Regarding the photo of the damaged house on the river, that house has been completely restored. That photo was taken just after the devastating flood
from John and was the absolute worst time any of us had ever experienced. The photo is sensational, which is the intent, I think, by the poster. The
whole park got cleaned up beautifully. By the way we, the homeowners, are in complete control of the HOA as of this year.
Julio flooded us again, but not as bad as John; not the surge, lower waterline and less damage. The river is filled with silt and will probably flood
again with lots of rain over the mountains. You won't be able to keep your boat on the river. Some local fishermen do get their pangas up that far,
but they have to pole much of the way, when the tide is higher.
If you are renting, flooding or damage shouldn't be a concern. Last year there was no flood. During hurricane season, be ready with a plan. If a
hurricane/tropical storm is headed toward Mulege, you will have time to evacuate. The house is the owners concern. Just put all the furniture upstairs
for them and then leave. Check into a hotel. I'm sure you could come back after a flood and direct cleanup for a reduced rate. The rest of the year
you are comfortably in your home.
Some people on the BajaNomad speak as though they know it all. Most of them don't. Some have some kind of personal agenda or vendetta. For this
reason, I do not post here anymore except to defend my personal piece of Baja, and to help others. Usually you can trace their attitude back to some
malfeasance they created and have left behind.
Howat, you will do the right thing for yourself. Go to The Orchard. Talk to people. Observe. See it for yourself. Make up your own mind. The Orchard
is in better shape because of the cooperative spirit and consensus rule of the homeowners. By all means check out other places. I think you will still
see The Orchard as you remembered it, only better. See who is in control and read between the lines.
Nice boat. You will want to launch and then bring it back and keep it on your trailer. Better security. By the way, our Orchard security is hired and
directed by us, and they have been magnificent. In recent past there were a couple of burglaries in houses right on the river road, but during and
since Julio there have been none. The river road is patrolled by security but it is more vulnerable than houses inside the park.
If this string goes south the way some malcontents tend to take them, I will not respond to them. I am trying to contribute to your queries. My
casita is NOT for rent so I have nothing to gain other than trying to help you. You can U2U me if you have any more specific questions.
Tony
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Chris Holmstead
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Toneart,
Good informative post but I think you are off the mark with your arrows.
When someone responds to a request for info about living on an aroyo or a river bank, telling someone that it would a good idea to live on higher
ground should be considered good advice. Its a given that the storms have set new water marks in these areas and you should not take offence when
this is pointed out.
It does not take a agenda to point out the obvious and many folks will soon tire of storm damage reports if it becomes an annual occurance.
I would hope that people will not rebuild destroyed homes and use a trailer instead that can be moved in the event of an impending storm.
It should now be standard proceedure to not rebuild in aroyos and along proven flood zones on the rio.
No offence but that is what I think.
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howat
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Appreciate the kind words and honest replies for the info on the Orchard and my boat, 1987 Cabo 216. It has been moored outside for most of its 21
year life. The reason I do not have a t-top is cuz it has a full canvas cover to protect it from the elements. I also clean it after every trip, wax
it a couple times an year and paint the deck with Epifanes 1-part non-skid paint yearly. I looks in person as good as it does in a pic. It's my
baby. In fact its 4 am now and I'm getting ready to leave the house to fish for tuna, YT and bottom dwellers around the Coronado Islands in the Chuck
Byron Commemoritive Fishing Tournament with my wife.
I've been fishing the Mulege/San Lucas area for 25 years. I love fishing the areas from south of Concepcion Bay all the way up to Santa Rosy. I'm
mainly a bottom fishermen that loves to explore the coves and reefs along that long coastline. With a 450 mile range and the seaworthiness of my boat
there are not too many places I can not go. I've pulled my boat to Concepcion Bay and BOLA with my 2003 v8 Tundra. It's a pain on those narrow roads
but well worth it to me cuz of all the fishing features my boat has. In fact I slept in it at Daggetts in BOLA for 10 days. it has a Yammie F150 on
the back which gets over 4 mpg at 25 mph. WOT = 40 mpg. The boat is all orginal including the padding except for the 65 gal Offshore bait tank. I
covered the two former 20 gal built-in bait tanks with the 36 qt coolers and enclosed the motorwell with Starboard. Has 4 batteries, 2 bilge pumps
and two bait pumps with washdown. This was the 1st year that Cabos were manufactured. I met the owner at the 1987 Boat Show in Del Mar, CA. His
co-owner a marine architect who loved to fish designed the boat for the elements of the Sea of Cortez encluding the widest walk-around of any 22'
cuddy. Unfortunately he died just before the boat show and never had the opportunity to see what a great boat he designed. The remaining owner a
non-fisherman ran the company into the ground due to lawsuits from poor wiring and other things on the later models. He sold the name to the current
luxury sportfisher Cabo in 1994. My boat #14 was baby sat thru the production line by the marine architect.
Even though my boat has a very shallow draft it does not look likely from your honest replies that I'll be able to moor it on the river. However, a
rented house with storage for my boat and a used 26' Safari motorhome (looking for) with boat launch closeby sounds like heaven to me. I grew up in
florida and really want to live on a water oasis. Just a dream I've had for 40 years. I'm coming down in March 09 without my boat to mainly look at
Mulege and the areas both north and south of there. My best buddy whose also coming down has a buddy who lives part time in San Bruno. Also want to
check out Bob & Susans place. Saw it a few years ago being constructed while staying at EcoMundo.
Oh by the way it has Sirius radio!
Thanks again,
Dennis
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Skeet/Loreto
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Howat:
Tonu: a very good Post:
howat I am going to jump in here and teel you like it is from my veiwpoint: After 38 years living and fishing the Sea of Cortez from Mulege to
Tambechie.
Mu preference is a 22 ft Panga which I fished out of for 27 years- I changed to a 217 Wellcraft which I converted to Yannmar Diesel soley for the
reason that I was getting older and was having some trouble pulling my Panga onto the Beach;
You will need the Shade on your Boat for protection from the Sun.
Now as to Fishing: First the Fishing was Fantastic when I was there in April!! The best I have seen in the Past 20 years. I fished with Alex out of
the Serinadad.
We stayed down on the river at a Friends Home which had been flooded-
Muelge is very much like Loreto was 30 years ago-Laid back, good Folks, and now you can get most of the goods you need.
Loreto is still a good place but has been overrun by the people coming in for the Loreto Bay Villages.
From 1970 to 1974 I lived and fished at San Nicholas and if I went back that is where I would stay!!
It is best to have it to where you can take your boat to Chivato, Mulege, Loreto, Juancliato, put in and go to where the Fish may be.
For me the best of all Fishing starts with the #1 place Las Animas-about 35 miles South of Loreto
Next is Catalana Island and the Line up to Pt. Lobos.
Then 35 miles out of Loreto on an 030 to Mercernerous Reef.
San Bruno Reef
Pt. Pulpito and 1 mile East at 105Feet.
Isla Delfonso_My Favorite Island where the Diving and Fishing has Always been fantanstic.
Then up to Pt. Santa Thersa{North end of Copnception}
The only way to really enjoy all the Good Fishing is to be able to Launch your Boat from the closest Place to where the fish are running.
howat; from you posts it appears that you have had some good experience on the water therefore I shall only advise one thing:: WHEN YOU HERE IT
THUNDER AND SEE NO CLOUDS-HEAD FOR THE NEAREST SHORE AND PROTECTION
Hope you get a good Place-If Mulege, get to know Saul Davis- He is a Good Man to know.
Skeet/Loreto
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Hook
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Good thinking on the starboard in the engine well, Howat.
I think that design issue caused the demise of the trailerboat Cabo line. It led to the wiring issues.
Yeah, the fishing MAY be more consistent from the East Cape, south. But that area is feeling more and more like southern California to me., with
prices to match. Mulege fishing is about as consistent, year round, as you will find.
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