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Bajajack
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2 Americans killed in La Mesa prison
Associated press
TIJUANA - Two American inmates are among some two dozen people killed in this week's rioting at Baja California's main prison, the U.S. Embassy said
Friday.
Embassy spokeswoman Janice Weiner said at least two other Americans were injured in the violence at the La Mesa State Penitentiary in Tijuana, across
from San Diego. She declined to give further details until family members have been notified.
Weiner added that consular officials are visiting the more than 200 Americans held at the lockup to make sure they are being cared for.
Prisoners at the crowded compound have rioted twice in the past week. They say they are not being given food and water, but officials blame
troublemakers for the violence.
The prison's warden and two other top officials have been suspended pending an investigation of alleged abuse, including allegations that guards
killed a 19-year-old inmate.
Those allegations sparked the first riot on Sunday, which killed four inmates. At least 17 more died in a second uprising on Wednesday, and human
rights officials believe the death toll could rise.
Antonia Brenner, a U.S. nun who works and lives in the prison, said a prison official told her a total of 25 people were killed in the riots. But she
said Friday that conditions were better.
"It's calming down. The terror was on Wednesday," she said. "Things are pretty well cleaned up."
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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If the USA held Mexican prisoners in jail under those conditions there would be hell to pay. There would be Mexicans prtoesting and waving flags.
Where is the ourtrage from the USA about how these Americasn are being treated?
I read a very sad story about one female american inmate there. She is in the TJ jail because she lost her health insurance and used her US doctors
prescription to purchase the drugs she needed at a farmacia in TJ. Her mother said she is down to 86 pounds and was using her only money to purchase
bottled water so she wouldn't get dissentary.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Just awful!!
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Where is the ourtrage from the USA about how these Americasn are being treated?
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i'm outraged that an american was so stupid as to get thrown in prison in mexico.... i understand that a mexican prison is worse than a nightmare, but
tough it out. after all, one of the americans who was killed was in his 11th year in la mesa for KIDNAPPING. stop acting like these people are saints.
there are hard luck stories everywhere you care to look.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Where is the ourtrage from the USA about how these Americasn are being treated?
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Most everybody in there is being treated like that and most of them don't deserve outrage. They're garbage. If you think the US government is going
to voice an opinion, don't hold your breath. Nobody would listen to them anyway.
Hey..Here's something we've never heard before, "Boycot Mexico."
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Pink boxer shorts, no AC and a baloney on white bread sandwich and water, every day.
No weight lifting so you can become a more powerful and effective criminal when you get out.
Cause voilence inside of any kind and you get shot dead.
Seems like these may all be concepts that should be embraced to reduce our prison populations.
Or we can keep spending 50k a year, or whatever the figure is now per inmate, to keep them in the tax payer subsidized country clubs they are
enjoying now.
I'd guess life is better inside for many of the inmates here in the states, probably not the case in Mexico.
That's a crime.
Sorry, post slanted to this side of the border.
Is indeed sad to here of US citizens in jail down there. Pay for what you reap though.
[Edited on 9-20-2008 by Gadget]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
Cause voilence inside of any kind and you get shot dead.
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The prisoners can handle that detail.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If the USA held Mexican prisoners in jail under those conditions there would be hell to pay. There would be Mexicans prtoesting and waving flags.
Where is the ourtrage from the USA about how these Americasn are being treated?
I read a very sad story about one female american inmate there. She is in the TJ jail because she lost her health insurance and used her US doctors
prescription to purchase the drugs she needed at a farmacia in TJ. Her mother said she is down to 86 pounds and was using her only money to purchase
bottled water so she wouldn't get dissentary. |
A congressman from the San Diego area published this excerpt a couple of years ago:
"U.S. Citizen Freed from Prison in Mexico
Recently, I announced the release of Dawn Marie Wilson, who has been imprisoned in Mexico for the last 18 months.
Dawn Marie Wilson, an American citizen, was convicted in a Mexican court of carrying medication without a prescription-- and sentenced to five years
in jail! Ms. Wilson had been purchasing anti-seizure medication for many years - and had apparently been a victim of extortion. After learning of Ms.
Wilson’s unjust imprisonment, I immediately took action to arrange for her transfer back to the United States.
Since the signing of a 1977 treaty with Mexico, an average of 90 incarcerated Americans are transferred back annually, and the U.S. Parole Commission
then determines the length of their remaining sentence to be served in the U.S.
In Ms. Wilson’s case, it was determined that she had served her time. I am proud to have helped Ms. Wilson get out of prison. Finally, she is free to
go home and reclaim her life."
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If you're interested what's it like in a Mexican jail, you can read, "Tales from the Tijuana Jail" by Sam Warren. He spent two and a half years
there.
http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Tijuana-Jails-Sam-Warren/dp/0945...
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No Interest !
Other than to hope it remains a horrific place to be as prison should be.
F-em all.
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Sam Warren, the author of "Tales from Tijuana Jail," was innocent and it took him 2 1/2 years to get the charges dropped.
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-----I spent several days in the TJ jail back in the early '60's for something I did not do (but they had good reason to think I did)--------It was no
picnic, but they treated me fairly, and it really was not that bad physically---emotionally it was scary, but other than that not bad at all. I will
say that I was pretty bloody and beat up from the arrest, and no medical attention was offered (tho I really did not need any other than a few
stitches in my head, which I never got until back in the States).
I certainly learned my lesson to watch out what I was doing while in Mexico, and not to mess with the law.
Of course that was a long time ago, but you old-timers can remember all the "bad press" about the Mexican jails back then, and it simply was largely
not so---at least in my experience.
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"Bad Press" about jail?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
"Bad Press" about jail? |
Yep-----bad press (propaganda???). It was commonly thought that they were horrible, dirty, depraved, and to be avoided at the risk of
death--------simply not so (at least everything but the "avoided").
Propaganda is sooooooo misleading, most of the time. Still, I don't recommend trying to find out for yourself.
Barry
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The few I've been in for short stays, I wouldn't recommend to anybody. As far as treatment toward you, I think you reap what you sow. Act like an
a-hole and you will surely be treated like one.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
The few I've been in for short stays, I wouldn't recommend to anybody. As far as treatment toward you, I think you reap what you sow. Act like an
a-hole and you will surely be treated like one. |
Amen, Dennis!!! 
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you're right.....
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especially those of you who follow a creed of judgment belonging to a higher power....
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that's funny!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
The few I've been in for short stays, I wouldn't recommend to anybody. As far as treatment toward you, I think you reap what you sow. Act like an
a-hole and you will surely be treated like one. |
Amen, Dennis!!! |
Unfortunately the majority of Americans in that jail are there because people were trying to purchase cheaper medications in TJ without knowing every
detail of the law.
And they were turned in by the pharmicists after the purchase .... despicable ....(the pharmists get their product back too.)
A truly tragic situation for most of them....
CAboRon
[Edited on 9-21-2008 by CaboRon]
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Ron
how can you possibly know that is fact?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
The few I've been in for short stays, I wouldn't recommend to anybody. As far as treatment toward you, I think you reap what you sow. Act like an
a-hole and you will surely be treated like one. |
Amen, Dennis!!! |
Unfortunately the majority of Americans in that jail are there because people were trying to purchase cheaper medications in TJ without knowing every
detail of the law.
And they were turned in by the pharmicists after the purchase .... despicable ....(the pharmists get their product back too.)
A truly tragic situation for most of them....
CAboRon
[Edited on 9-21-2008 by CaboRon] |
Not saying this hasn't ever happened but it is the first time I have heard that version of the story. Do you have any sources on that? Would love to
read about it...
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