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slimshady
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Semarnat question?
Does anyone know what the requirements are with Semarnat regarding a permit which is required prior to construction. I have a lot in B.C.S. and need
to get either the environmental study or ecological study. I have heard from two builders. One says it will cost 7k to pay for the study and another
guy who says it will cost a couple of hundred dollars because the lot is more than 100 meters from the ocean.
The lot is two hundred yards from the ocean and is about 1700 meter squared. I would hate to pay the gringo tax. Any help will do.
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Bob and Susan
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take it from me...
you NEED a environmental study PERIOD before you build
DO NOT listen to ANYONE that says you don't
if you need a REAL person to do the study i can recommend someone
u2u me
price $5000 to $7000 usa
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slimshady
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I understand what you are saying. Where can I find out from the written law regarding something like that?
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Bob and Susan
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maybe someone else knows...
i just know how to pay the fines
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slimshady
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Did you not get a permit before? I hear that they run about 5K. Ouch. I hear oceanfront property needs the full environmental survey, while back
lots(100 yards or more) just the ecological study. Both are from Semarnat. The both involve donating the plants.
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Bob and Susan
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donating the plants???
we didn't get one...
when we started no one here knew about them
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no one knew how to write them either
we had to get a damage report and pay a fine
we now have a letter of normalization
its sure different now
builders wont even start without one
if you are in a development the development can "umbrella" all the lots
but it still has to be done
a back lot (100yds) is still ocean front in mexico
if you remove plants you need to replace them somewhere (they will tell you where) at your expense...and they need to live
i've never heard of donating plants to someone
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slimshady
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In donating I mean removing them and putting them where it would live at your expense. The 100 yards is beyond the federal zone.
which is the basically any beach front lot. I know its confusing and the information is not readily available.
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Bob and Susan
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well...that's beach front to profepa
you NEED a permit
if you dont get it you'll pay the fine...
Semarnat will tell you even IF you can remove the plants
not all plants can even be removed for construction
they can tell you stories of each plant...
some used to clog a radiator
some to feed bugs that kill other bugs
some people eat ( you wouldn't)
etc
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slimshady
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I can just imagine.
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oldlady
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We have been through this drill. Bob and Susan are right. If they have a good contact for the study, and the person is reasonably convenient in
location, start there. You aren't going to get it done for a few hundred.
The fine for not doing it can go as high as 10K US...and you will still have to pay for the study.
As for the law, hope your Spanish is really good. You can go to the Semernat website and it is there, and it is lengthy!!!!.
Good Luck!
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Bob and Susan
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no...the fine is normally 30k now...
the fine depends on what you do...
you can haggle...
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Not taking issue with ya, my experience is 18 months old.
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Bob and Susan
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you are right...
now...
you know you need it...its a law
don't start building without it or...
have a "warchest" to pay later
but if you do ...
don't complain when you get caught
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Complete and perfect advice!
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redmesa
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Does this apply within a town or city limits?
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slimshady
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I emailed Semarnat and 3 of the delegates and hopefully they will respond. I know a study needs to be done. The issue is whether I need the
environmental study which is necessary for the federal zone. My lot is approx. 195 meters from the water. One builder says I will need the ecological
one since I am farther from the ocean. Information is hard to find, and maybe thats the way people like it so they can gringo tax us.
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oldlady
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!8 months ago, in La Paz, the Delegado told me that it was immaterial whether or not your property was categorized as urbana or rustica.
That's not an exact answer to your question, I know.
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Slimshady
Bob and Susan & oldlady speak from experiences that you don't want to experience....do a search here for SEMERNAT, PROFEPA and/or EIS for a lot of
information in English....or take oldlady's advice & look at the SEMERNAT website if you're fluent in Espanol.
I'm roughly 1 mile from the Bay & my property required a full EIS; I followed the law to the letter & it still took 6 months for final
approval!
Don't believe builders!! They will generally tell you what you want to hear so they can start making money sooner! Get information from SEMERNAT
& get it in writing over a signature! YOU are held liable, the builder is not responsible for any fines, penalties or repercussions....it all
falls on the property owner.
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What are these things. Are these fairly new in the enforcement area.
As far as I can remember in the San Felipe area no one has gotten or ever even heard of these items once you are beyond the federal zone. And they
have only started in the last five years or so having any interest in the federal zone. I know the Campo owner has paid fines and changed the way
people build near the beach.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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I just received my "complete" final resolution this week after 3 years. All the previous reports of infractions and penalties were dismissed. If you
take care of the papers before you turn a rock things can go fairly smoothly. But still you need to hire some one with knowledge and experience in
obtaining the final resolution. There is no shortage of people out there that will tell you they can do it. I used Hilario Toba. Tel. 612-124-1277 -
Cel. 044-612-156-9495. E-mail hilariotoba@hotmail.com He has worked with 90% of the Punta Chivato home owners and so far only a few have had to pay
any fines. He speaks English well so you won't be left totally in the dark during the process. At times I wondered if I had made another mistake. I
had two others that failed. Now I'm told that there is another study I need to complete the process. It, I believe, is an updated version of the EIS.
Because the papers I received don't mention that I have one. Whom ever you sign with make sure that the EIS is part of the contract. If you haven't
been cited you might want Bob & Susan's or oldlady's representative. I was under the impression the Hilario would do my EIS but now he has told
others that it was not included in our contract. Honest mistake? who knows I haven't had an opportunity to talk with him directly. This was an
absolute nightmare. I wish all the best but if you haven't any citations you should do well. For those that are going through the problems with
PROFEPA when your final resolution come make sure that on the last page it states that all previous and future issues are not valid. Sorry, I can't
find the exact wording but will edit this post when I find it. GOOD LUCK ALL
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